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| Quote: Richie "Is the Australian resident and NRL player Widdop more Britush and more of a world beater than SL MOS and Castleford resident Chase?'"
In a Word.......Yes
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| Quote: Richie "Is the Australian resident and NRL player Widdop more Britush and more of a world beater than SL MOS and Castleford resident Chase?'"
Yes he is more British - neither are world beaters though.
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| Personally i have not been that impressed with Heighington. Seems to get dominated too often. No better than others in the squad.
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| Quote: Richie "I thought aside from those three major mistakes, Chase had a good game. However, it's those significant moments that attract the attention (it's what everyone is talking about for Hall for example, rather than his genaral play work) and had a signifcant impact.
I'd stick with Chase, but make an earlier change to Widdop working with Sinfield, then Chase into hooker later in the 2nd half.'"
I thought Chase had a decent first half apart from the "kick". He made good yards and exposed holes in the Aussie marker defence well. I think if we hadn't lost Ellis and Graham (something that seems to have been overlooked as a contributing factor to the loss) then he might have come off second half.
If he's smart enough he will have learned a lot from the big game experience, which in all fairness he doesn't have. I would personaly start with him on the bench and see how Widdop and Sinfield combine from the off. Then bring him on to add some spark from dummy half as you suggest.
Heighington I would drop for Ablett (unless Ellis is out next week and then he has to stay unfortunately). Not impressed at all with him.
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| Quote: Richie "Is the Australian resident and NRL player Widdop more Britush and more of a world beater than SL MOS and Castleford resident Chase?'"
Until I heard Widdop interviewed I would have said no. But having heard his voice he is without doubt a lad from Halifax living in Australia, not an Australian claiming Halifax roots.
As for world beating, I think getting the jersey in his day job is harder than getting it for his country. He's got better players around him at work so is used differently.
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| Chase should be dropped (he should have been before this game) as he has not regained his early season form. He looks to be trying too hard and was too often playing for himself and not the team. He continued to make mistakes which yesterday were crucial and did not form a link with anyone.
As previously stated I would play McGuire at 7 to restore the proven and successful link with Sinfield at 6 where he should stay for the whole game, and Widdop should replace the pedestrian Yeaman at centre
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| Quote: "As previously stated I would play McGuire at 7 to restore the proven and successful link with Sinfield at 6 where he should stay for the whole game'"
People sometimes overlook the need for established patnerships, and just look at the quality of the individual, even though Chase is no better than McGuire IMO.
This Familiarity is especially important in the halves where they need to know what each other is going to do. It is apparent Kev and chase do not have this.
I think it is also a reason Hall is on the right, to keep the Hull Yeaman Briscoe partnership together
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| Quote: Edenmain "I agree that Chase is terrible but also Sinfield and Peacock. I would gladly see Bailey in instead of Peacock and anyone instead of Sinfield who didnt put in a telling kick all game and on at least 3 occasions was looking backwards before the play had been completed and missed out on telling offloads one of which was on the 5th tackle.'"
Nice attempt, but not quite good enough to distract us from the obvious - by far the most ineffective back for England was your own (Hull FC's) Yeaman.
Sinfield created Hall's first spectacular try with a brilliant pass and could have had two further assists very early on had the finishing been more clinical.
I didn't think Chase was 'terrible', but he was certainly not good.
I thought Tomkins, Hall and to a lesser extent Reed were outstanding. The rest (including the forwards) had decent but not extraordinary games.
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| Quote: Chief Stinkwort "Nice attempt, but not quite good enough to distract us from the obvious - by far the most ineffective back for England was your own (Hull FC's) Yeaman.
Sinfield created Hall's first spectacular try with a brilliant pass and could have had two further assists very early on had the finishing been more clinical.
I didn't think Chase was 'terrible', but he was certainly not good.
I thought Tomkins, Hall and to a lesser extent Reed were outstanding. The rest (including the forwards) had decent but not extraordinary games.'"
Hall and Tomkins were the only two who excelled for me, everyone else was average or worse our pack is poor their flat footedness will be exposed next week by a very fast NZ team.
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| Quote: Juan Cornetto "and Widdop should replace the pedestrian Yeaman at centre'"
What break up the magic, fruit bearing, duo?
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| Regarding the briscoe try, wasn't a double movement but was a forward pass from yeaman for me
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| Was sat in the corner Briscoe was defending at Wembley in the first half so had a close-up view of how the Yeaman-Briscoe partnership worked. Basically it relies on Briscoe constantly making allowances for and covering where Yeaman's supposed to be, as well as defending his own position. I thought Briscoe did outstandingly well, but Yeaman was a liability. Would have Atkins or Hardaker in front of him in an instant, but in the circumstances would go for Widdop in the centres, or even Ablett if we're benching Chase and playing Widdop inside.
Tomkins was superb but still have doubts about him as a full-back rather than a half, and he should have stopped the Luke Lewis try (look what Billy Slater did to Westwood for comparison). Hall, Briscoe, Reed and Roby were all in the tick column. Ellis was the best forward on the pitch while he was on. Our main go-forward tactic was "give it to Gaz Ellis", twice a set.
Without injuries to him and Graham we'd propably have won, but it's also not beyond possibility that an RL forward will get injured and it did expose our light bench and McNamara not going with four props when a knackered Morley and an outgunned Heighington were our front-rowers while Australia scored most of their points.
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| rangi chase should be on the bench for the NZ game - at best !
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| One of the problems is that Chase despite his MOS award does not have the intense big match experience of either the SL playoffs, Cup Final or NRL State of origin. For much of the time he looks lost at this level and to keep him in when there are alternatives will be a mistake IMO
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| What's people's thoughts on a bit of a reshuffle. Sinfield back to 13, McGuire in at 7 with Widdop at 6. Definitely need the fourth prop, highlighted by the injuries. To lose Graham and Ellis, plus have JP hobbling around for a while was bad luck. Wilkin hmmmmmm not in my 17, same for Chase.
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