From reading the various reports of the whole sorry affair, the culture at the Titans seems to be one about as far removed from that at Leeds as you could possibly get.

Are you hard of understanding, intolerant or just bored and looking for something to take issue with?

There you go again putting words and opinions in my mouth.

You are the one bringing Hardaker in to this not me, are you saying he's a bad influence on the squad? if so on what evidence. I strongly disagree with you BTW

I made no recommendations based on a non court case, as you describe it. What I advocated was the GH protects the current culture by using his own judgement as to whether Falloon was a good fit with that culture.

Back on your high horse and trot on

And who's to say whether an individual, when placed in a superior club culture, wouldn't react positively to that both on and off the field.

The "culture" Paul Aiton was in at Canberra was also a bit, er, different to the one at Headingley.

Spot on.

Leeds have a recent history of dealing very well with players who get into some bother. If this Aussie can play then this non court case is a non issue.

Amazing how short sighted some folk are.

And how arrogant

Cronulla not Canberra

Yep, sorry.

Hardaker had no prior issues before joining the club. His issues occured while already in the clubs employment and were dealt with. So bringing hardaker into the debate is irrelevant.

Still as said Im sure Hetherington knows what he's doing, the crafty old sod.

Indeed, and the point is look how well the club have done. Obviously hardaker has done his part too. The point is that a couple of issues don't make someone a bad player if the club has the right structure to help them.

There's a big difference between a player acting up whilst at the club (Bailey, Hardaker) than signing somebody with a poor record elsewhere. Personally I wouldn't look seriously at any of the Titans players they've unloaded unless I was desperate. A number of those players clearly placed having a good time ahead of their sporting careers - exactly the opposite of the kinds of sacrifices needed to win things which a number of Leeds players have talked about.

Its not as though Falloon is Cameron Smith - he's a bog average first grade hooker at one of the worst NRL teams that has clearly had serious off-field problems for a long while. I'd rather go with Lilley or have a look around the Championship than sign someone with the potential to be a destabilising influence, especially with the loss of Sinfield and Peacock from the squad.

I don't pretend to know much about Falloon as a player so can't comment too much though the ability of the team a player comes from isn't really a big factor. I knew little of both cuthbo or garbutt before they arrived, nor was I impressed with the aiton signing at first.

I've said on previous threads that the scouting and recruitment at Leeds is second to none at the moment. They know far more about players than any of us.

Doesn't mean they don't get it wrong.

Yours, Joe Vickery and Mitch Achurch.

Add Mark O'Neil, Ben Cross

O'Neil I'll cut some slack. That wasn't bad recruitment, he was just really unfortunate. Bit like Bradley Clyde.

Cross, I have no idea where the club were looking when they made that decision but he'd made the NSW Origin squad from memory.

We are desperate, though.