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| With hindsight, going back 15 years or so, the best thing that could have happened to Headingley would have been for YCCC to move to Durkar.
The cricketers could have had a new ground similar to Hants with the Rose bowl.
The rugby side could then have sold off the cricket ground, which they owned at that time, & used the money to completely redevelop the rugby side.
Provided all that had gone ahead before the current financial crisis then we may all have been in clover right now.
Isn't hindsight wonderful?
To put some other comments into context, the current YCCC management is far from being the idiots portrayed elsewhere in this topic.
Colin Graves with his financial support has saved the club safeguarding its future such that we are the current county champions.
The new Chief Exec is doing an excellent job with the support of the board & his staff - playing & non-playing - such that I fully expect the rebuilding of a joint rugby stand to go ahead for completion before 2019.
That should then go a significant way towards resolving the complaints about the state of the stadium.
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| I loved Wilderspool, and people may say the HJ is identi-kit but i love the functionality of the HJ, it is a far superior stadium.
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| Quote: The Ghost of '99 "It's just not true to say Leeds haven't spent on their ground. They've spent more on the stadium in the Hetherington era than any club other than St Helens, including Warrington who got an entire new ground for less than Leeds have invested. This is manifested mostly in the Carnegie Stand (which wasn't "paid for" by Leeds Met - they helped the ongoing finances stack up very well but the £7m build cost came direct from Leeds' own cash reserves) and the corporate areas. But there is also a reason that Headingley's rugby side isn't completely falling down like the Jungle or, it seems, the cricket side - all that money spent on reroofing the north and south stands, strengthening the south stand so it can operate at full capacity again etc etc.
And the primary reason for the delay in further work is not so much to do with Hetherington being tight, although if there is a free lunch for the club in the form of any kind of grants or subsidies he will be all over it. It's all because Yorkshire are a bunch of insolvent idiots who keep saying they want to do the north stand project but never have the funds when it comes to making the decision. Leeds can immediately afford to do one or the other, north or south (the south was going to be paid pretty much in cash like the Carnegie was, the north is a lot more expensive so will have to involve borrowing). But even Leeds can't afford to do both. Since the south stand planning was granted, Yorkshire decided that yes the football/north stand was suddenly a shorter term project than Leeds had expected. Given that, the south stand project had to go by the wayside and is probably a non starter for the next decade or so.'" You seem to know a bit about this
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FROM 2004,TO DO WHAT THIS CLUB'S DONE,IF THATS NOT GREATNESS THEN I DONT KNOW WHAT IS.
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| Quote: Old Feller "With hindsight, going back 15 years or so, the best thing that could have happened to Headingley would have been for YCCC to move to Durkar.
The cricketers could have had a new ground similar to Hants with the Rose bowl.
The rugby side could then have sold off the cricket ground, which they owned at that time, & used the money to completely redevelop the rugby side.
Provided all that had gone ahead before the current financial crisis then we may all have been in clover right now.
Isn't hindsight wonderful?
To put some other comments into context, the current YCCC management is far from being the idiots portrayed elsewhere in this topic.
Colin Graves with his financial support has saved the club safeguarding its future such that we are the current county champions.
The new Chief Exec is doing an excellent job with the support of the board & his staff - playing & non-playing - such that I fully expect the rebuilding of a joint rugby stand to go ahead for completion before 2019.
That should then go a significant way towards resolving the complaints about the state of the stadium.'" Yes ,but LCC were desparate to keep 1st class and test cricket in the City of Leeds and they helped out YCCC to acquire the Cricket side,, unfortunately the RL club hasn't had anything like the same kind of assistance
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| Quote: lionarmour87 "Yes ,but LCC were desparate to keep 1st class and test cricket in the City of Leeds and they helped out YCCC to acquire the Cricket side,, unfortunately the RL club hasn't had anything like the same kind of assistance'"
I know that the council was desperate to retain test match cricket in the city but whether in the long term that was the best decision for both clubs i'm not so sure.
At the time I agreed with the outcome now I'm having second thoughts.
Leeds Rugby sold the cricket side for about £10m, that was only due to the support of the council for YCCC so indirectly they did benefit.
Also don't forget that the funding for the Carnegie stand (IMV the equal of any faciity in any other RL stadium, excluding shared football grounds) came from Leeds Met Uni, so the club has had substantial external help.
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| Quote: Wire Yed "I loved Wilderspool, and people may say the HJ is identi-kit but i love the functionality of the HJ, it is a far superior stadium.'"
I agree entirely. Wilderspool was fun, and the away end gave a terrific atmosphere with it's low roof, but the new ground is streets ahead. It's got great facilities, it's well designed and has a superb location. And the atmosphere is still pretty good.
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| The HJ is a cracking stadium. It was built in the right way and the right size for the club. I cringe when I see the Salford stadium by comparison. Some might say what's the difference? The HJ got the configuration right. One side and one end seated, one side and one end standing. It's crucial to have one side as standing as that's where RL fans will make a noise from. At Salford most of their fans only populate one end whilst the away fans go in the end (both standing) whilst the 2 seated sides are virtually empty. So there's no atmosphere generated in the stadium and it looks terrible on tv as the cameras are pointed at a stand that's empty.
Having all those fans down the side at the HJ is what generates the atmosphere
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| From the M.E.N -Headingley looks set to have a reduced capacity for Lancashire’s NatWest T20 Blast clash with Yorkshire this season.
The Roses showdown is usually a sell-out on both sides of the Pennines. But the 83-year-old Rugby Stand at the Leeds venue may have to be closed this summer for safety reasons meaning the ground will have a reduced 14,000 capacity.
Ticket sales for seats in the stand have already been suspended for both the T20 clash and England’s one-day international against Australia and Yorkshire on September 11.
Chief executive Mark Arthur has explained the area may not be used again over the next two years before plans go ahead to rebuild it in time to host an Ashes Test in 2019.
He said
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| Quote: LeedsDave "Thats simply not true.'"
Didn't it chuck it down for them supposed "last ever" Bulls game a couple of Easters ago?
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| The long term answer is simple - redevelop the North, South & West stands to give us a ground fit for the best team in the country.
The short term answer is more complex:
-The South Stand is easiest to do - it's a simple like-for-like replacement (albeit more modern) that sits entirely on Rhinos-owned land, is away from the road and has few facilities that need expanding. With funding in place up front, this could probably be structurally complete in a close-season, with fit-out work taking off the first few games of the new year.
-The North stand is more complex. It needs to be scheduled optimally for both LRFC and YCCC, and can only happen when both parties have funding in place for it. As such our ability to do anything will be contingent on our ability to co-ordinate with YCCC. Additionally, the North ties in with a lot of the other infrastructure in the ground, such as The Old Pavilion and the floodlights. This is likely to be a much bigger, more complex piece of work which (due to the desire to expand corporate facilities on both sides) will take a lot longer to do. As such, an opportunity to do this work can't be passed up because we don't know when the next one will come along. There's also schedule pressure from YCCC to do this soon so they can guarantee Test Matches - recognise that YCCC get no benefit from our doing the SS.
-The West Stand is even worse, given it involves building close to / over houses and changing access/egress arrangements to the ground. It also has the worst business case, as there's nothing wrong with the stand at the moment, little scope (without a huge spend) to expand facilities and a rebuilding would require moving the existing big screen to another location. The council won't let us CPO the houses behind the stand, so the club just needs to be aware when those properties naturally come on the market to develop a long-term opportunity.
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| [list[/list Quote: Andy Gilder "Didn't it chuck it down for them supposed "last ever" Bulls game a couple of Easters ago?'"
Correct. Bulls at home late last season. I got drenched
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| Quote: tenerifeRhino "We get close to 20k and over a few times a year.
But with some good redevelopment in the stadium and facilities we could be close to averaging 20k every season. But as I said earlier I feel the club has really being dragging its heels in the last 5 years or so.'"
Been.
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| Quote: Wheels "Been.'"
Nice.
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FROM 2004,TO DO WHAT THIS CLUB'S DONE,IF THATS NOT GREATNESS THEN I DONT KNOW WHAT IS.
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| Quote: Wheels "Been.'"
I wouldn't have noticed that at all,but I new what he meant
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