This is spot on. We were in the game and only six down at a time when we had plenty ball. We do not look capable of attacking, and we haven't much at all yet this season.

Penalties and errors don't help, but they are not the reason for the poor attack. Sutcliffe especially is absolutely appalling, nothing more than a passenger as a player.

Pretty much the norm for a young half behind a well beaten pack.

Another positive hopefully next years MM we should get an easier game rather than extra game against Wigan

If your not up to it, your not up to. Last night Widnes were getting well beaten first 20 minutes, but their halfs looked superb regardless. Our pack was not well beaten for the whole 80, but Sutcliffe was very poor for the whole 80.

Was reading today Abletts article in the paper and he even said sutty isn't a natural half and describes him as a running ball handler.

Agree on Sutcliffe, he might give one good moment in a game like the try like last week but he needs to be good and controlling for 80 mins which I just don't see in him.

Achurch was nothing in comparison to Ward or Ablett.

JJB did OK for a comeback and fair play to him just for coming back TBF because most of us thought he'd be retiring after that injury.

Said last week, we DESPERATLEY need McGuire back. Even those who heavily criticised him in the past must surely have seen that we need him.

Oh well at least we scored and avoided the zero

Will agree to disagree there. Leeds lost momentum very early there was a stat earlyish in 2nd half showing Wigan with twice the territory of Leeds. Leeds were only in it at half time due to Wigans poor attack. With the little ball and field position leeds had in first half they were always going to open up. Had leeds been cohesive in attack for a couple of plays in the first half they still couldn't have come away with the win due to the counts on the stats.

Errors and penalties are the reason that Wigan cut leeds open in both halves like a hot knife through butter. Put this way I wasn't thinking, if leeds can just be more cohesive in attack we'll take the win, I was thinking they're blowing out their backsides and need the ball!

That was very, very bad. Can't fault the effort in defence, but I don't think we won a ruck all night, constantly they left one or two players on the floor, weight of possession told with soft efforts for Gildarts and Gellings tries also.

On offense (I use that term loosely) we look like a team that's been figured out, Wigan were able to wrap the ball up and stop the ball really getting to our backs. Our Halves were awful, I know they're both young but I'd rather see them try and take control and maybe not put a great kick into the I goal than constantly having Zak or Kallum etc turning the ball over without even testing the opposition. If we are just trying to be unpredictable someone needs to remind the players that only works if you don't do it every time.

If I had to pick positives I'd say keinhorst put in a big stint, for 10-15 minutes either side of the half we looked better with Falloon on, he also showed some nice long passing. Achurch got through a big stint without getting injured. It also could have been a lot worse had wigans attack clicked and our defence not been pretty dogged for most of the game.

I've said it before and the lonely virgin can try mock it if that's all that brings him joy in life....but this team spent too long patting itself on the back for the achievements of 2015 and it's clearly showing. No fire in the bellies this year unlike 12 months ago.

The pluses first. Keinhorst, Falloon, Mullally. JJB.

The props did not make enough yards and tackled too high allowing Wigan to keep walking easy yards as they gained ground despite several tacklers ineffective efforts and we are losing the collision on attack too. Poor discipline and woefully tackling with Hardaker one of the worst and Achurch's and Handley's paperweight stuff not much better. Our half backs were not in the game on attack with Sutcliffe again looking out of his depth, Watkins outplayed by a young lad and Hall not at the races.

Opposition sides are wrapping Cuthbo's offloads up too easily making him and others force the pass and so lose possession.

Also we do not look fit or fast enough IMO which may account for some of our leg injuries. Finally we lacking game management, leadership and flair. Mac has his work cut out and we could do with a few easy games for our senior players to regain form.

I know we did a lot of defending but we don't look fit in my opinion and I'm really starting how much of an effect loosing kirkstall has actually had.

In addition, it's not often I'll criticise McDermott and his interchanges because he's paid to do the job and he's better qualified than me to make those calls, but I cannot for the life of me figure out why Achurch stayed on that pitch for so long, the bloke was dead on his feet, I've give him some stick over the last year but tonight for me anything he did wrong wasn't his fault he should have been changed, the amount of times sat behind those sticks tonight I saw Achurch on the floor blowing was ridiculous!