Yes you are right. Sorry Cala.

JJB made an outstainding contribution to the game but where were the other defenders?

That was the set that followed Mr Buderus's penalty for holding on in the 77th minute. Shame the team was put in a position to defend that extra set.

I'd agree entirely with all of this. I'll I've ever tried to do is make an unbiased rational appraisal of Buderus's displays FOR LEEDS.

His influence ON LEEDS in the 3 season's he has been here have been greatly underwhelming considering that he is a legend in the game. Some appear to be unable to recognise that because of his reputation.

I've said I thought he had an excellent game but you cannot ignore just how very costly his mistakes/penalties were. My issue is not with Buderus, it's with the completely unwarranted adulation he receives which is in disproportion to what he has done FOR LEEDS. Ask yourself this, If Watkins, Burrow or Sinfield had conceded those penalties at the end of the game what would your reaction be today, and the reaction of many others?

Who says I dislike him? He's a great player. I just think overall he's been a great disappointment AT LEEDS.

Did he get the MOM award that day? I think Senior was the outstanding player that day, followed by Webb and Buderus.

Not for me he isn't. Some way behind what Monaghan and Roby bring to their teams, and that is the gripe. He should be, unarguably, the best 9 in the comp. Some admire him as if he is, but he isn't.

What view is that?

What memories will you take from Buderus's time at Leeds?

When I look back fondly at the successes Leeds have enjoyed I picture Sinfield hosting the trophies, Iestyn hoisting te Challenge Cup, Rivett's four tries at Wembley, John Holmes horizontal drop goal at Wembley, the young local lads walking away from Old Trafford with the Harry Sunderland in their mits following epic battles with Saints.

Where will Buderus Leeds career fit into your misty eyed memories?

Ah man, I'd have to disagree G1.

Buderus is easily one of (if not the) best 9s in the comp.

I understand your point about what Roby & Monaghan bring to their respective teams, and I'd tend to agree they do seem to bring more, but I'd suggest that's because of the way the teams play. Saints in particular are very 9 orientated. Probably because they had Cunningham for so long. They use the hooker as the main player maker, the man that controls everything from the middle of the park, so they're bound to "bring more to the team" because they're the one bringing everything. Sinfield seems to do that role no matter where you pick him. I think Buderus is happy to let him, then get involved (to great effect!) as and when is needed, instead of running the show from start to finish.

But putting accusations of agendas aside. Do you not believe that it is more than just a coincidence that Buderus is looking so good this season compared to previous, when he is getting proper game time, and not having to share with someone for the sake of it?

Possibly. Having said that he has been sharing game time with McShane recently and he could have used a longer rest period Friday because he was absolutely blowing out of his arris for those last 15 mins (he wasn't alone) and his fatigue was probably the reason for those late penalties.

Can he do 80 mins a week over the long season?

Spot on.


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I avoided the temptation to reply.

Prescott went over on what would have been the seventh tackle of that sequence had the penalty not been conceded by Buderus. Such small margins.



I have always had a reasonable expectation of what Buderus would bring based on the type of player he is and always appeared to be while playing in the NRL.

Organising, service and options taken from dummy half are all still top quality. Defensively strong hitting well above his weight, enthusiastic on kick chase while often leading it. Ability to play long minutes.

What he lacks at Leeds is a player of the quality of Andrew Johns at 1st receiver but that's hardly his fault.

His reading of the game (and where Leeds lost control of it) immediately after the final whistle was precise and to the point and 100% accurate IMO.

Quite.

3 missed tackles Friday. I actually think his defence has slipped from it's usually high standards this season. perhaps because he's being asked to play longer spells.
Not on Friday's evidence.
Nor Leeds fault. Not every club has Andrew Johns at 7. Still, it's another excuse to add to a long list of them.
Indeed. He spoke about taking the game down the wrong channel. Isn't part of that down to him. I'd hardly expect him come out and say "Jeez I was flagging out there and couldn't get off the tackler before the Prescott try or the Tomkins penalty". I'd have a bit more respect for him if he had mind.

Did Buderus get a rest on Friday? I thought he was on for the full 80!

In the last 15 minutes I guess he made more tackles than any other player and he got back to make that final tackle. The 2 times he was done for offside he had actually made a tackle each time. I bet he was heading for 30 tackles in the game and the majority of those were first in on forwards as against some of the others who are normally 3rd in.

Not sure if he did and if he didn't it's an error tactically. Things might have been different had he been a bit fresher at the death.

He did. From memory (of which mine is poor!) he wasn't off for long though.

Nor Buderus' fault that certain posters have elevated his pre SL form on to such a lofty perch just so they can knock him down from it.

Thankfully not all posters will fall for it.

Similar situation to Torres IMO.

Not his fault he was signed for £50m, with the expectation to match is it.

I know, imagine comparing him to Hanley.

Who would do such a thing?

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For one week only (probably)

Leeds substitutions:

1 - Kirke replaces Leuluai (15 mins)
2 - Clarkson replaces Pitts (31 mins)
3 - McShane replaces Buderus (31 mins)
4 - Cross replaces Hauraki (33 mins)
5 - Buderus replaces Bailey (36 mins)
6 - Leuluai replaces Kirke (48 mins)
7 - Bailey replaces Cross (51 mins)
8 - Hauraki replaces Clarkson (53 mins)
9 - Cross replaces Bailey (62 mins)
10 - Kirke replaces Leuluai (67 mins)
11 - Pitts replaces Jones-Buchanan (68 mins)
12 - Jones-Buchanan replaces Cross (75 mins)

Which roughly equates to the following game-time:

Backs (Webb, Watkins, Ablett, Senior, Hall, Sinfield, Burrow) - 80 mins each

Leuluai - 34 mins
Buderus - 75 mins
Bailey - 47 mins
Pitts - 43 mins
Hauraki - 60 mins
Jones-Buchanan - 73 mins

McShane - 49 mins
Clarkson - 22 mins
Kirke - 46 mins
Cross - 36 mins

One week only? That's a shame, it would certainly add to the Opta Stats thread if we know the "minutes played" by each Leeds player as it would put their stats into some kind of perspective.

Go on, you know you want to....

these are the most relative stats imo tvoc
surely they give a truer indication of a players match stats do they not?

I agree fellas, it would be useful to include them. Trouble is I could only do so from the full match Sky coverage and obviously that's only available the weeks Leeds are featured.

Anyone who doesn't think this is time consuming should give it a go for themselves.

Is it more time consuming for you to do, or for all of us to read?

I never had you down as selfish tvoc...

It was a Burrow hospital pass to Cross resulting in a knock on that gave Wigan the field position to score one of their comeback tries.

It wasn't a great pass but it certainly should have been taken as Cross himself acknowledged by apologising to his team mates for not doing so.

Are we still talking about this?

Yes he had a good game. That on its own doesn't justify his existence. But neither does his lack of MOM's indicate that he isn't a very valuable member of the team