Last year our top two try scorers were hookers, which pretty much sums up how lacking in width we were. Bring in two new halfbacks and we're still not looking at all dangerous or playing with enough width - partly because both centres and the full back apparently have no idea how to pass the ball.

DHM is right - we're horrible to watch. Warrington was entertaining but mainly because it was backs against the wall stuff. Even our highlights are generally uninspiring.

You don't win Grand Finals from 5th position either apparently but hey guess what?

Every club he’s been out there has been an Agar out thread. Wonder why that is.

The way we currently play reminds me of Saints under Cunningham. It needs to improve and quickly.

Dont think we are that bad, Cas under Radford look more like it.

Because there has been an 'insert current coach here' out thread at some point for every club and every coach at some point.

I guess I was trying to sum up the last few seasons. The team seems to be evolving in the wrong direction. I admire your optimism, it reminds me of how I used to feel in the 80's at the start of every season.

I just think its the fact we've had 3 defeats to start the season that people are getting a bit too carried away with the doom and gloom.

Bar the Warrington game we've looked very ordinary, but it is only 3 games in. It could all go totally pear shaped and we could be dire for the rest of the season, but it might not, who knows.

Put 3 or 4 decent performances in in the coming weeks and it will all seem a bit different. We've played just two games with the new halfbacks and a fullback who's been out for 2 seasons, it might take a few games to get going.

again Christopher this isnt just about 3 games but also the manner of them and off the back of so many games last year where the best hasnt been got out of the team available. I can count on 1 hand the games that have been really enjoyable and that i felt the team played really well. I have little faith therefore that Agars track record will move the team on to compete for the GF this year.

I know, it's just becoming a circular discussion.

Agar is going to move at some point I would suspect this will be his last year has Head Coach, unless we go through a serious losing streak and he loses the dressing room there's nothing to be gained from getting shut now.

It really is just a case of we are where we are at the moment.

I think this team is capable of something this year, we will just have to wait and see.

Fingers crossed! I don't think anyone is disagreeing about not firing Agar now.

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I actually like Agar and think he would be great in the director of rugby role. I am really struggling to see what impact Sean Long is having. Our attacking platform lacks structure and basic skills which is his job to lead improvement. Interestingly Leixester Tigers are 16 points clear in the posh boys comp with there new defenxe coach!

Why are people saying it's only been 3 games? He's been here since 2019. For every season we don't get our long-term manager, the rebuild and transition just gets delayed another year. There's only so long that excuse can continue to be used before it's clear we're not in a transition, we're just being terribly managed from the coach to the directors.