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| Quote: Rugby Raider "Fair point.
Our difference in form this season is primarily two fold. Firstly, a much stronger pack, allowing the backs to express themselves more. Secondly our game management has improved. Last season, we lost about 5-6 games by a single score, this year we have done the reverse.
We also now tend to keep calm if we fall behind in a game, after years of always trying to play catch up rugby. Basic stuff and things Leeds, Saints, Wigan etc have been doing for years.
Confidence and team spirit is there for all to see. However, ask most Hull fans and they'll not be so confident against Leeds this Friday. Beating Leeds will be a major monkey off our back. For years we always had a good record against Leeds, but in the past decade our victories have been few and far between.
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Agree with that.
I had you in the top 4 if you could move Pryce on as IMO you were a halfback short of a top of the table finish.
Your pack is pretty mobile too and you have the backs that can finish.
I also had my doubts about Radford but talking to a few Hull blokes they rated him and told me he would come good.
Just shows I know nothing!
We would need a massive turn of form to put one over you on Friday night.
Although playing with a recognised hooker might help us a bit.
I also am not confident we will breeze through the middle 8`s as other clubs seem to have more desire than we do and more organisation oh and they don`t have a coach who has completely lost the plot.
Good luck for the rest of the season.
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| Quote: tad rhino "David furner is the most mentioned replacement'"
Oh dear Lord.
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| "If you take the context out of the game, that was a good performance."....Quoted by Mr McDermott post-match. This is the type of quote I spent years listening to from Paul Cullen at Warrington...Totally meaningless gobble-de-Gook. Having no axe to grind I'm fearful for the future of the game with a much reduced Leeds club. Despite your terrible season you still had 16,000+ for the fixture many of whom follow the club home and away...You regularly fill the east stand at Warrington worth many thousands of pounds on the gate. I dread to think what would happen if the situation doesn't change at Leeds. I don't normally bash coaches but if you look closely at your coaches record it doesn't take much examining. He didn't pull up any trees in London and inherited a classy Leeds side which a monkey on a stick should have been able to coach. That team has grown older and slower and key players have retired...The coaches job should have been to replace those players with at least as much ability, or more, those he replaced. Sometimes fans show blind loyalty instead of common sense. Times up for Mr McDermott I'm afraid.
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| Quote: BrianBradyHandOff ""If you take the context out of the game, that was a good performance."....Quoted by Mr McDermott post-match. This is the type of quote I spent years listening to from Paul Cullen at Warrington...Totally meaningless gobble-de-Gook. Having no axe to grind I'm fearful for the future of the game with a much reduced Leeds club. Despite your terrible season you still had 16,000+ for the fixture many of whom follow the club home and away...You regularly fill the east stand at Warrington worth many thousands of pounds on the gate. I dread to think what would happen if the situation doesn't change at Leeds. I don't normally bash coaches but if you look closely at your coaches record it doesn't take much examining. He didn't pull up any trees in London and inherited a classy Leeds side which a monkey on a stick should have been able to coach. That team has grown older and slower and key players have retired...The coaches job should have been to replace those players with at least as much ability, or more, those he replaced. Sometimes fans show blind loyalty instead of common sense. Times up for Mr McDermott I'm afraid.'"
The recruitment of players is handled by Hetherington. Same as at any club. Of course there's input from the coach but in the end recruitment of players is a financial and a managerial decision and so is ultimately taken by the CEO/Chairman more so than the head coach.
Even so, Galloway has been one of our better performers in the pack overall this season. The big issue recruitment wise is hooker. But even taking that into account we still shouldn't be bottom of the table. That can't be attributed solely to either the hooker issue or the coach(es) underperforming/getting it wrong.
People often go on about how it's the Head Coach's responsibility to get a team to perform. Well I agree with that but with the rather significant caveat that his ability to do that is limited by several factors, the single biggest being the players themselves. They have a responsibility to perform in the same way as the coach does. And as we've seen numerous times this season, there are plenty of Leeds players who have to share the blame (along with the coach) for our performances this season.
It's why I am generally averse to sacking coaches as I think it happens far too often without much thought having gone into it and I see it as being the "easy option".
I'd also say that just as clubs wouldn't sack a successful player after 1 poor season I don't think a club should sack a coach in a similar fashion.
This season for Leeds has been a combination of factors in my opinion. The injuries and training ground issues have been a factor, as has the hangover from the win last year. We're obviously low on confidence and have been unable to get it back. The hooker issue is a big one that wasn't sorted properly by the management. The coaching staff have to take their share of the blame but so do the players, especially the senior players who have generally not performed this year.
I think the players should get the majority of the praise when we win and so I think they should get their fair share of the blame when we perform so poorly.
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| Quote: Him "The recruitment of players is handled by Hetherington. Same as at any club. Of course there's input from the coach but in the end recruitment of players is a financial and a managerial decision and so is ultimately taken by the CEO/Chairman more so than the head coach.
Even so, Galloway has been one of our better performers in the pack overall this season. The big issue recruitment wise is hooker. But even taking that into account we still shouldn't be bottom of the table. That can't be attributed solely to either the hooker issue or the coach(es) underperforming/getting it wrong.
People often go on about how it's the Head Coach's responsibility to get a team to perform. Well I agree with that but with the rather significant caveat that his ability to do that is limited by several factors, the single biggest being the players themselves. They have a responsibility to perform in the same way as the coach does. And as we've seen numerous times this season, there are plenty of Leeds players who have to share the blame (along with the coach) for our performances this season.
It's why I am generally averse to sacking coaches as I think it happens far too often without much thought having gone into it and I see it as being the "easy option".
I'd also say that just as clubs wouldn't sack a successful player after 1 poor season I don't think a club should sack a coach in a similar fashion.
This season for Leeds has been a combination of factors in my opinion. The injuries and training ground issues have been a factor, as has the hangover from the win last year. We're obviously low on confidence and have been unable to get it back. The hooker issue is a big one that wasn't sorted properly by the management. The coaching staff have to take their share of the blame but so do the players, especially the senior players who have generally not performed this year.
I think the players should get the majority of the praise when we win and so I think they should get their fair share of the blame when we perform so poorly.'"
You shouldn't underestimate the hooker situation, it wouldn't be so bad if we could just blame GH for getting his signing wrong (assuming it was him who identified falloon, it could have been Mac or even an assistant who did the research into the possible hookers)
However it is Macs decision to not play a hooker at all which totally derails the team, we only have one halfback and therefore become very easy to predict in attack
Not playing Falloon when fit is criminal but even when he isn't we should stick someone like Keinhorst into 9 as any normal coach would
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| For me it's only in context where Galloway looks respectable.
He started awfully and has pulled himself up to the dizzy heights of ok.
For me he's still part of the problem not the solution.
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| Quote: thebloodbath "For me it's only in context where Galloway looks respectable.
He started awfully and has pulled himself up to the dizzy heights of ok.
For me he's still part of the problem not the solution.'"
In what way? other than Garbutt he has certainly been well ahead of our other prop options. Should we be concentrating on those players first?
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| Galloway in the main has been solid for me. Hes done what has been asked of him. Good defender, makes his yards and get reasonably quick rucks for Burrow to scoot. Hopefully Segeyaro can make more use of this.
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| Quote: Marty Grrrrrrrrrr! "Galloway in the main has been solid for me. Hes done what has been asked of him. Good defender, makes his yards and get reasonably quick rucks for Burrow to scoot. Hopefully Segeyaro can make more use of this.'"
The more I read of Segeyaro the more I'm convinced he's here for a paycheck and will jump ship at the first available opportunity. I don't think we'll get anything like the Segeyaro we've seen in the NRL this past few years.
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| Quote: cheekydiddles "I agree. It will be a Lowes/Cummings 'dream team'
Now that would be a disaster, I suspect Brian Mac will resign at the end of the season. Also I think the main reason the club have not fired him ,is no other decent coaches seem available at the moment.
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| Quote: Backwoodsman "Now that would be a disaster, I suspect Brian Mac will resign at the end of the season. Also I think the main reason the club have not fired him ,is no other decent coaches seem available at the moment.'"
It could be Harris, oh sorry you said decent.
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| Quote: Fat Boy "The more I read of Segeyaro the more I'm convinced he's here for a paycheck and will jump ship at the first available opportunity. I don't think we'll get anything like the Segeyaro we've seen in the NRL this past few years.'"
He had a pay check at Penrith, the only reason for him to come was that he wanted game time and wants to play
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| Quote: Fat Boy "The more I read of Segeyaro the more I'm convinced he's here for a paycheck and will jump ship at the first available opportunity. I don't think we'll get anything like the Segeyaro we've seen in the NRL this past few years.'"
If he helps to get us out off our present situation that will be ok by me. He can then go back to Australia for next season.
You never know he may get to like life in gods own county.
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| Right now SL survival is all that matters. If Segeyaro plays awesomely and helps us stay up but then goes back to the NRL I have no problem with that. Planning for next season ought to be well under way in any event.
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| Quote: BrisbaneRhino "Right now SL survival is all that matters. If Segeyaro plays awesomely and helps us stay up but then goes back to the NRL I have no problem with that. Planning for next season ought to be well under way in any event.'"
But how can planning be "well under way"? The most important recruitment is for a quality hooker, is it not? (Along with a half back organiser probably). Segeyaro is contracted to the end of 2018 (I believe), so planning for a hooker must have totally stopped. However, one day before the start of the 2017 season, Segeyaro could up sticks & return to the NRL. How is that good planning?
Surely it would have been better to get Segeyaro on a 3 month contract (to help us out of the mire this season) & continue scouring SL & the NRL for a suitable long term solution? The contract negotiated is only good for one party it seems to me. We will have to hope that he falls in love with Leeds as a city & a club &/or that he doesn't play quite well enough for an NRL club to poach him.
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