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| Quote ="ThePrinter"Some people like to knee jerk on here though. Can't think of many (if any) wingers who would win MOM without scoring any tries.'"
Some people actually watch games and comment on what is in front of them, without biase and agendas.
I said at half time Hall was magnificent. I also said when this thread was created he was playing poor, because he was.
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| Quote ="Gotcha"Some people actually watch games and comment on what is in front of them, without biase and agendas.'"
From a guy who constantly gets asked "Did you actually watch the game?"
How did Turner do today BTW?
Quote ="Gotcha"I said at half time Hall was magnificent. I also said when this thread was created he was playing poor, because he was.'"
He wasn't though was he. His kick catching was a disappointment yes, and this led you and some others to all areas of his game harking back 4 years.
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| Quote ="ThePrinter"From a guy who constantly gets asked "Did you actually watch the game?"
How did Turner do today BTW?
He wasn't though was he. His kick catching was a disappointment yes, and this led you and some others to all areas of his game harking back 4 years.'"
You talk nonsense. And are always found out.
Comment on the present, it's much easier.
By the way Turner was crap today. As I say, I comment on what actually happens, rather than what doesn't.
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| Slightly O/T but Briscoe's positioning in attack at times is shocking. He overruns the play often and as a result the ball has gone behind him and out of play a number of times this season.
As for Hall, he's still the most complete winger in this country, and one of the best in the world. I'm not sure anyone could say otherwise to be honest
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| Quote ="Gotcha"You talk nonsense. And are always found out.
Comment on the present, it's much easier.'"
Ok then......
Quote ="Gotcha"And I would agree with you if we were looking at one match in isolation, or even one month of games to be generous.
The difference is, look at every game over last four years. He consistently misses 33% of the tackles he attempts. That is the difference here, and it is overlooked because of his other qualities.
I am not saying to not overlook those other qualities, I am simply saying as a winger he is a poor defender and worse than others in the competition.'"
What's that about talking nonsense and always being found out? ![Wink icon_wink.gif](//www.rlfans.com/images/smilies//icon_wink.gif)
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| Quote ="Gotcha"You talk nonsense. And are always found out.
Comment on the present, it's much easier.
By the way Turner was crap today. As I say, I comment on what actually happens, rather than what doesn't.'"
To be fair to Turner, I thought all the Saints backs were shocking except for Lomax. If I were Nathan Brown, I'd move Lance back to full back and put Lomax to 6 to take some of the responsibility off Walsh.
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| Quote ="William Eve"I blame Joel Moon
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Quote ="Gotcha"Yet another poor defensive effort from Hall.'"
Come on guys admit it that you've both got huge man crushes on Ryan
Ryan by plenty IMO
Regards Tommy Makinson ![Wink icon_wink.gif](//www.rlfans.com/images/smilies//icon_wink.gif)
Guffaw ![Laughing icon_lol.gif](//www.rlfans.com/images/smilies//icon_lol.gif)
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| Got to say I thought Hall was brilliant today and certainly back to his best form for a long time. Maybe BJB might get in ahead of Briscoe next week.
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| Quote ="Charlie Sheen"Slightly O/T but Briscoe's positioning in attack at times is shocking. He overruns the play often and as a result the ball has gone behind him and out of play a number of times this season.
As for Hall, he's still the most complete winger in this country, and one of the best in the world. I'm not sure anyone could say otherwise to be honest'"
Is this the one problem with McDermott's rotation, it's not allowing Briscoe to strike up a partnership / timing with Watkins?
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| Quote ="Dirty Pretty Thing"Is this the one problem with McDermott's rotation, it's not allowing Briscoe to strike up a partnership / timing with Watkins?'"
Haven't they played 9 out of a possible 12 games together?
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| Quote ="Dirty Pretty Thing"Is this the one problem with McDermott's rotation, it's not allowing Briscoe to strike up a partnership / timing with Watkins?'"
Perhaps, but they've played enough games for Leeds, and England, not to mention hours in training together so I'm not sure that excuse is valid anymore, I also though that when McGuire passed the ball into touch in the first half that he overran the play, but I haven't seen it again so could be wrong.
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| Quote ="Charlie Sheen"Perhaps, but they've played enough games for Leeds, and England, not to mention hours in training together so I'm not sure that excuse is valid anymore, I also though that when McGuire passed the ball into touch in the first half that he overran the play, but I haven't seen it again so could be wrong.'"
Briscoe was at fault on both occasions I think.....but I certainly would not drop him in favour of BJB.
The way our triumvirate back 3 bring the ball back into play is a hugely important part of getting Leeds onto the front foot.
Hall was a justifiable MOM today. Brilliant
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| Quote ="nantwichexile"Briscoe was at fault on both occasions I think.....but I certainly would not drop him in favour of BJB.
The way our triumvirate back 3 bring the ball back into play is a hugely important part of getting Leeds onto the front foot.
Hall was a justifiable MOM today. Brilliant'"
Exactly, I'd say work needs to be done there but can we honestly say BJB wouldn't have overrun too?
Probably more a pet peeve I have but most wingers positioning in relation to their centre/the play I find frustrating.
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| Irrespective of where Briscoe was, it was the wrong ball from McGuire to start with. Had no need to throw the big miss ball. One of a series of errors he started the game with.
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| Quote ="William Eve"I blame Joel Moon
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Not even going to bother reading any further posts in this thread . Leeds 32-12 Saints is the only score that matters .
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| Quote ="nantwichexile"Briscoe was at fault on both occasions I think.....but I certainly would not drop him in favour of BJB.
The way our triumvirate back 3 bring the ball back into play is a hugely important part of getting Leeds onto the front foot.
Hall was a justifiable MOM today. Brilliant'"
Agree regarding not dropping briscoe and hall was very good. But then I don't think he has been bad all year.
Regarding the maguire pass I have to say I don't think briscoe was at fault thought the pass from mags was wrong
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| Quote ="Andy Gilder"Irrespective of where Briscoe was, it was the wrong ball from McGuire to start with. Had no need to throw the big miss ball. One of a series of errors he started the game with.'"
This.
I also thought Watkins passing into touch was the wrong option and not TB's fault.
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| Ryan Hall was class, is class has been class.
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| Aye, he's not bad for a fat get.
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| I guess that William is busy washing his hair this weekend ![Laughing icon_lol.gif](//www.rlfans.com/images/smilies//icon_lol.gif)
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| Quote ="Clearwing"Aye, he's not bad for a fat get.'"
who? ryan or gareth?
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| Still no sign of Billy.
Hall by plenty.
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| Quote ="Andy Gilder"Irrespective of where Briscoe was, it was the wrong ball from McGuire to start with. Had no need to throw the big miss ball. One of a series of errors he started the game with.'"
Dunno about that. It was on Saints territory, play had opened up and there was a try on if the pass went to hand. Right option not well executed IMOSVHO.
I'd like to see Briscoe just check a yard or two in those positions. He's over-run a few passes from Watkins and McGuire. I don't think it can all be down to him, between them they need to get it right. For me with his speed, strength and step he doesn't need to be taking the ball that flat. Just get a pass that gets him on the outside shoulder.
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| Quote ="El Diablo"Dunno about that. It was on Saints territory, play had opened up and there was a try on if the pass went to hand. Right option not well executed IMOSVHO.
I'd like to see Briscoe just check a yard or two in those positions. He's over-run a few passes from Watkins and McGuire. I don't think it can all be down to him, between them they need to get it right. For me with his speed, strength and step he doesn't need to be taking the ball that flat. Just get a pass that gets him on the outside shoulder.'"
Agreed, it's not a case of blaming or singling out one player. All three/four involved (I'd included Hardaker too) down that side just need to work on their execution together. We showed more intent in attack this time, with crisper play we could've had at least two more scores down that right hand side in the first half.
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| Hall showed Makinson you need more than a nice one handed dive finish. Makinson's no mug, so will be a nice reality check for the lad.
Saints comfortably losing last 3, makes London at home a bit of a relief of a fixture.
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