he has shown it, albiet rarely. when he does i think,why the hell can't he do it on a regular basis.
for me, his time has gone, time to move him on.

I'd rather have Ronnie out there than Bailey at the minute.

He's a walking waste of space.

Inept, ineffectual, bone idle.

Sadly there's no-one else at the moment.

What do people want of a prop? Genuine question.

Statistically speaking Bailey compares reasonably favourably with Luke Burgess. Slightly less on the yardage and fewer offloads but more tackles and far fewer misses and a lower error count.

What the stats don't show is the aggression, the niggle, the talking. They don't show the speed of PTBs either. There does seem to be an obsession with yardage and not a whole lot more.

As Gareth alludes - he's won 3 Grand Finals, played in 4, played for GB and been a regular under 3 different coaches in the last 6 years. I'm surprised they haven't found out this lazy player who doesn't look interested. Dean Lance would have sorted him out.

Luke Burgess is having a comparatively indifferent 'second' season but he still has arguably the better stats, which should come as a surprise given their relative age and experience which isn't really comparable.

Leeds retained Bailey first and were outbid for Scruton.

Good move?

Whatever the "order" of the contracts for bailey and scruton is irrellevant tvoc GH has a set value of each player and he wasn't prepared to meet what bradford offered scruton SIMPLES.

What Tvoc is saying though and I agree with him,had we not retained Bailey there would have been more money/cap manouvrability (SP) to try and make sure we retained Scruton who IMO offers a lot more than Bailey.

I would rate Bailey as the most ineffective of all our props and have held that opinion for the last 3 seasons irrespective of how many GF winners medals he has.

A set value would imply no room for negotiation?

I doubt Webb re-signed for a set value with no negotiation.

Ryan Bailey is a two time world club champion please people. Everyone already forgot his big game against the saints? He’s worth the season alone for that game!

They all have "worth" in terms of contracts etc and GH obviously didn't think scruton was worth what bradford offered whereas bailey accepted the offer that the club deemed his worth.
You know the sleeve won't "break the bank".

Bailey has had one big performance this season and it wasn't at Knowsley Road.

You refer to HKR i believe!

If only he could reproduce that sort of effort more consistently then he might be worth a contract.

I'm having trouble with this post.

You seem to be suggesting that the OPTA stats are meaningless in isolation and that the supporters know less than the professional coaches ?

That can't be right, surely ?

I suspect Bailey would get into any other SL 17.

Yours sincerely,

Brian McClellan, Brian Noble, Tony Smith


(To copy what is now becoming dull

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Definitely right in the second part.

For the first part, I'd say stats are useful in adding some objectivity to a comparison but its tempting to view them out of context by ignoring, say, the performance of the team played in, the amount of game time etc. For example a player who makes more tackles per game than another might do so because he's a workhorse but he might also do it because he plays in a poor team that struggle to retain posession or becuase he plays 80 minutes each week.

There's also an awful lot that stats don't show or that might be captured by teams but isn't available at the Superleague website.

I'm with you on this one. Each player has a different worth to the game. These values are not necessarily shown in stats or visible to supporters whose knowledge of the game is not that deep. Depending on the game plan, a prop who makes contact, then trudges 3 or 4 mopre yards slowly with men on him, isn't necessrily as useful to a team, as someone who hits the line, takes contact, and gets the ball played quickly. Especially where you rely on a quick PTB to get a roll on.

Basically, Peacock is rubbish. Bailey = god

I liked him yesterday, just to spite the fat idiot stood next to me. Calling him a p*ssy, and a big black pudding.

I'm sorry, but no RL player is a p*ssy in my eyes

Good to see the usual culprits defending the indefensible - good old Ryan plays the ball quickly? Its a good fooking job, he's on the deck before he even hits the defensive line.

Paul Sculthorpe summed him up perfectly before putting big bad Ryan on his backside.

And who can forget his run round the back of Leeds players cowardfest at Knowsley Road, pure carry on film that one!!

I never shut my eyes and get out of the way when placing body on line.


Regards,

Scott Donald.

Thought Bailey was dire until he re appeared after getting a bang on the head.
Maybe that helped


Tried to gee the team up a bit and put in one or two decent hits.
Was far too predictable in his first stint and fell off tackles except when he was third man in!
Diskin looked dis interested for large parts of the game and Donald was woeful IMO.
Burgess`s defence was good not sure I would say he took over Peacocks role though.
Ball retention is similar to Thackrays unfortunately.
Thought Ali, JJB and Kylie did well.
Any news on Abletts injury?

You're tough! I'm sure you'd do a great job.

Poor titch.

I think its time you put this persona to bed and thought of a new one. Good while it lasted but everything has its day.

So as a player at dummy half, would you rather be picking the ball up with markers not square, and a retreating defensive line, or be 3 yards forward against a flat set defense?

You are so lame its untrue Richie. I accept that Bailey is not a great player, but he is effective and good value for money.

For me Bailley is a bit of an enigma. His size and aggresive reputation are not backed up by the yards he makes forward, and yet he still gets in the faces of the opposing players.

Defensively, I'm not too bothered whether he's 1st, 2nd or 3rd into the tackle, as long as he does get in. And he's proved more than capable of putting in big hits that raise the whole team.

On balance, I'd rather see him in the squad, than playing elsewhere.

Titchy Tinyrod reckons he's macho because he once did some foxy boking in his Halfix gym.