he has shown it, albiet rarely. when he does i think,why the hell can't he do it on a regular basis.
for me, his time has gone, time to move him on.

I'd rather have Ronnie out there than Bailey at the minute.

He's a walking waste of space.

Inept, ineffectual, bone idle.

Sadly there's no-one else at the moment.

What do people want of a prop? Genuine question.

Statistically speaking Bailey compares reasonably favourably with Luke Burgess. Slightly less on the yardage and fewer offloads but more tackles and far fewer misses and a lower error count.

What the stats don't show is the aggression, the niggle, the talking. They don't show the speed of PTBs either. There does seem to be an obsession with yardage and not a whole lot more.

As Gareth alludes - he's won 3 Grand Finals, played in 4, played for GB and been a regular under 3 different coaches in the last 6 years. I'm surprised they haven't found out this lazy player who doesn't look interested. Dean Lance would have sorted him out.

Luke Burgess is having a comparatively indifferent 'second' season but he still has arguably the better stats, which should come as a surprise given their relative age and experience which isn't really comparable.

Leeds retained Bailey first and were outbid for Scruton.

Good move?

Whatever the "order" of the contracts for bailey and scruton is irrellevant tvoc GH has a set value of each player and he wasn't prepared to meet what bradford offered scruton SIMPLES.

What Tvoc is saying though and I agree with him,had we not retained Bailey there would have been more money/cap manouvrability (SP) to try and make sure we retained Scruton who IMO offers a lot more than Bailey.

I would rate Bailey as the most ineffective of all our props and have held that opinion for the last 3 seasons irrespective of how many GF winners medals he has.

A set value would imply no room for negotiation?

I doubt Webb re-signed for a set value with no negotiation.

Ryan Bailey is a two time world club champion please people. Everyone already forgot his big game against the saints? He’s worth the season alone for that game!

They all have "worth" in terms of contracts etc and GH obviously didn't think scruton was worth what bradford offered whereas bailey accepted the offer that the club deemed his worth.
You know the sleeve won't "break the bank".

Bailey has had one big performance this season and it wasn't at Knowsley Road.

You refer to HKR i believe!

If only he could reproduce that sort of effort more consistently then he might be worth a contract.

I'm having trouble with this post.

You seem to be suggesting that the OPTA stats are meaningless in isolation and that the supporters know less than the professional coaches ?

That can't be right, surely ?

I suspect Bailey would get into any other SL 17.

Yours sincerely,

Brian McClellan, Brian Noble, Tony Smith


(To copy what is now becoming dull )

Definitely right in the second part.

For the first part, I'd say stats are useful in adding some objectivity to a comparison but its tempting to view them out of context by ignoring, say, the performance of the team played in, the amount of game time etc. For example a player who makes more tackles per game than another might do so because he's a workhorse but he might also do it because he plays in a poor team that struggle to retain posession or becuase he plays 80 minutes each week.

There's also an awful lot that stats don't show or that might be captured by teams but isn't available at the Superleague website.