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| Quote tvoc="tvoc"Nathan Massey dropped on Sinfield in the 79th minute at Castleford (it didn't go unnoticed by Sinfield either) in a similar manner to the Bridge forearm drop onto Jeffries ...... genuine question has Massey been referred?
I'll assume not. The only consistency out of the Red Hall Disciplinary is their inconsistency.'"
I don't believe that is why Sinfiled was annoyed and looked at the ref. check out the "tackle" that felled him in the first place. I'm pretty sure he was tripped.
I couldn't understand why he was hacked off to begin with, then I watched it a few times. The camera just catches it. |
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| Quote G1="G1"without outrage.'"
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Meh. Silly move, but not the worst thing that will have been done around the tackle area at the weekend. Silly, petulant, quite possibly worthy of a 1 game ban, but let's not get our panties too much in a bunch over it.
I should imagine Tony Smith will have largely been annoyed at the needless penalty. Players who can turn their good moments (and it was a momentum-giving tackle) into penalties are probably rarely in the coach's good books afterwards.
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| Quote rhinoms="rhinoms"TVOC -re-Massey that was more of a "flop" and nothing like Bridges effort on Jeffries.'"
Yes, I think you are right, I initially thought there was more forearm in it than there actually was.
Quote rhinoms="DHM"I don't believe that is why Sinfiled was annoyed and looked at the ref. check out the "tackle" that felled him in the first place. I'm pretty sure he was tripped.
I couldn't understand why he was hacked off to begin with, then I watched it a few times. The camera just catches it.'"
Again, I think you are right there again.
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Having also seen the Bridges one again (via last night's SLS) I agree with the general point that it was deserving of referral to the disciplinary but I still wouldn't send a player off for that without it properly connects. |
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1 match then
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Was it an early guilty plea?
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According to Sky sports yeah
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Brett Ferres also got 1 match for admitting dangerous contact with Jay Pitts
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| Quote Omar Little="Omar Little"Rule one of precendents - the facts and issues have to be substantially the same...[url=http://www.therfl.co.uk/disciplinary/item?834:1a7ttewbBailey/Fasavalu was not foul play because Fasavalu ducked into the tackle[/url:1a7ttewbQuote Omar Little
In any case where has this idea that Shoulder charges can't also be high tackles come from. It has no basis in the laws of the game which state that it is foul play if "when effecting or attempting to effect a tackle makes contact with the head or neck of an opponent intentionally, recklessly or carelessly".
In Bailey/Fasavalu there was no intentional, reckless or careless contact with the head. I don't accept that as being the same for Moa.
I disagree this is exactly why it was a reckless tackle. Moa could see how tall Rinaldi was and therefore should have adjusted his technique accordingly. He made no attempt whatsoever to bring his shoulder below Rinaldi's head height which to me is at best careless and more probably reckless. [EDIT: I also now note that even [url=http://www.therfl.co.uk/disciplinary/item?3339:1a7ttewbMr Moa partially agrees with me and entered a guilty plea on the basis of the tackle being careless but not reckless[/url
Also on this basis wouldn't any high tackle on Rob Burrow be fair game as anyone else would have been fine?!
Why then are high tackles constantly still given when a player ducks into a tackle, granted it is hard to judge. Both cases are a shoulder barge which connected to the head, one was a red one was not.
You've got me there, I'm going off personal experience and the fact that I hadnt really seen a shoulder barge, even to the head penalised
He could have done, but having the choice of hitting him, or adjusting on the fly and probably missing most players would hit him ten times out of ten. A guilty plea no doubt makes his sentence less severe
Of course burrow is not fair game. The point I was trying to say was had it hit a forward or someone who would not have been ko'd it would not have been a red.
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| Quote Barrie's Glass Eye="Barrie's Glass Eye"Why then are high tackles constantly still given when a player ducks into a tackle, granted it is hard to judge. Both cases are a shoulder barge which connected to the head, one was a red one was not.'"
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| Quote Steve-O="Steve-O"Brett Ferres also got 1 match for admitting dangerous contact with Jay Pitts'"
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| Quote Omar Little="Omar Little"What's "dangerous contract"...it sounds like something John Hopoate would do
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Not sure about "dangerous contracts" - which I think may be similar to the one the Bulls signed with Iestyn Harris.
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