Facebook groups are a different breed! Apparently Marty’s on there all time now……can’t quite believe it!

It emphasises how little people understand in terms of what is actually needed to be a good 9.

A bit of flash and some dogged defence is enough for those that don’t understand how a 9 effects the timing of the rest of your attack. And that’s not to say Dwyer always messes it up, but his inconsistency has, for me, become as infuriating as his lack of decision making. I suppose what I mean by that is if he played the same as the other week when he started I could have seen him still being here.

I’d also add Dwyer going is also a fair reflection of how far O’Connor has developed in that role.

Just a one year deal I thought it would be more

can't say anything against dwyer , martin or zak on there

for me dwyer should have been short term as should thompson and donaldson ,

nothing particularly against martin just more solid than spectacular for overseas alongside defensive bentley, hopeful gannon can be aggressive and pacey

zak was a neccessity and doing well i just wouldn't have had him back after previously wanting out ,very few players have had 2 spells with us

Im as far from that crowd as you could get, but Martin has probably been our player of the year, and Hardaker has been outstanding.

The level of discussion on Facebook rarely gets above the moronic. Not getting why Dwyer is being released tells you everything you need to know.

FB must be a very different place to here. I don't know how you can watch RL for years and not understand the importance of good service from dummy half.

Dwyer has cleaned up his distribution a fair bit since being dropped, but he still lapses and I suspect always will under pressure. He will also occasionally win games from the bench, as he's clearly a real threat when running.

Under Agar that combination meant him getting more and more game time. Under Smith he's been usurped by someone who had never played hooker but can pass and has a rugby brain. I think its fairly clear who better understands the way a good team works.....

Very well said OWL.

I think you are being a bit harsh on Houghton. He did win m.o.s and at the time was one of the best no 9's in SL. To be fair Ellis should have won it.

In the last few years his performances have slipped due to being flogged for 80 minutes. I wouldn't have given him another contract but he had the option in his favour to carry on.

Lovodua was signed as a hooker but has hardly played there due to mystifying selection decisions by Hodgson and our usual injury problems.

The big hope is Balmforth. Very highly regarded but having 3 hookers ahead of him his game time may be limited.

I think Martin did OK, didn't he have a family bereavement/ ek home earlier in the season ? Or was that last season ?.
Since RS came in Martin has been great for us.

Zak,Sutcliffe and Dwyer are deffo the Farcebook darlings

There's a lot to be said for disengaging from Facebook entirely. It's a toxic mess generally and even the stuff like discussing Rugby League is just a load of ill informed, incoherent nonsense. A lot of it is sub-Gledhill stuff.

I think people on here are in the main more hard core fans who've gone to games for a number of years so understand the game better. Dwyer is the greatest player ever to play for Leeds if you read all the FB comments... my mate loves him, he's gutted. Mind you he's thick as so explains it.... thought Dwyer was poor v Wire when he came on, his passing was awful and ran like a headless chicken. He's done well at times but it's the right move at the right time for Leeds.

He will be at Saints the year after