While I wouldn't have given MOM to Webb I thought he had a good game, yes there was some poor passes but for me his positives outweighed the negatives. He looks alot better this year than last to me, even kick returns he looks alot more interested and dangerous than he has in the past

Owen did look a prospect before his injury and while he's not looking so hot now I don't understand why Richard Mathers would take any great comfort from that.

Apart from when Warrington were about to get rid he's never come near to his distant Leeds form, IMO.

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The injury seems to have set him back years and he is looking very ordinary now i also remember you rating him higher than Shenton in terms of potential and raw talent pre-injury seems both are set to be confined to the "ok" ranks.

Mathers may glean some self satisfaction from the manner of his discarding at Cas from the fact that, whether Mathers is at his Leeds best or not, he's still playing a million miles better than the player who took his position. Also, the club may have backed the wrong horse for reasons other than form if rumours turn out to be true.

Mathers wouldn't be human if he didn't allow himself a wry smile at the least.

More rumours G spill the filth!!

Not a chance.

www.engagesuperleague.co.uk/stat ... eason=2012 Leaving rumours aside, I see nothing much in those yet to suggest Castleford backed the wrong full-back for 2012 and beyond although his early promise for me was shown on the wing.

www.engagesuperleague.co.uk/stat ... eason=2012 Leaving rumours aside, I see nothing much in those yet to suggest Castleford backed the wrong full-back for 2012 and beyond although his early promise for me was shown on the wing.

I assume they are stats? Fair enough. I based my opinion on what I've seen of each of them playing rugby this season. I haven't looked at the stats. Won't be doing either.

To be fair tvoc viewing both Mathers and Owen in games thus far for me Mathers has looked much sharper with and without the ball AND he's grazed his knees aswell=LAD!!

I've just had Ian on the phone again, he wants to know if this extends to all stats.

I've seen Owen V Salford and Leeds and Mathers V Widnes and Bradford.

If I had to chose one over the other from that sample it would still be Owen ... just about although as a full-back he's a lot of improvement to make.

Tell he he owes me a big thank you for crediting him with extra carries having watched him Friday (I said I thought he made 3). Kirke's biggest fan me, exaggerating his work rate.

It could just be Opta being mean again.

I thought he made more than the two carries also, not that I was counting or anything.

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Edit: Check carried out and if Opta have only credited Kirke with two drives they have made a mistake depending on what they term a carry.

He took a carry in the first set after he replaced Peacock around the 30 minute mark - although Hemmings said it was Peacock - no they don't do they? He took a carry in the next Leeds set.

His third and final carry came in the opening set of the 2nd half.

Out of the 2 in question I only see one as a full-back.

I didn't see a right lot of Kirke on Friday, don't know how many minutes he was on, but 3 carries is pretty poor. How many tackles out of interest?

Hardly your fault shag.