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| Quote: Marty Grrrrrrrrrr! "Im not saying GH is happy im saying I dont think McD's is under pressure from either GH or Caddick at this moment in time and even at this stage he has enough runs on the board for that to remain in their eyes. I cant see GH panicking or anything.
I honestly believe McD has GH's trust and that hasnt changed since the season started.'"
I disagree totally mate. I think he's a dead man walking and will end up at HKR next season
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| Quote: craigizzard "Harris never started on the bench did he? Murray would start him at fullback to keep him out of the way for the early exchanges then bring on St.Hilaire with Harris moving to his real position of stand-off and Darryl Powell either going off or switching to the pack. That's how I remember it anyway. Either way, Liam Sutcliffe is no Iestyn Harris and I'm not even sure Ashton Golding is any Marcus St.Hilaire.'"
It was an extraordinary situation with Harris and Hilaire, The exception to the rule.
Golding reminds me of the many A team players I watched during the early 80's.
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| Quote: tad rhino "I disagree totally mate. I think he's a dead man walking and will end up at HKR next season'"
I agree with Marty. I think Hetherington will give him 1 more season to prove it was a one off.
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| if he does we are in serious
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| Quote: chapylad "I think you are reading it out of context.
They lost to Huddersfield when you would have bet on them winning that and probably securing top spot.
Chill mate you are doing well I was simply pointing out that some of the top four have lost games or drawn games they should have won.
No big deal.
I would sooner be in your position than ours.'"
Fair point.
Our difference in form this season is primarily two fold. Firstly, a much stronger pack, allowing the backs to express themselves more. Secondly our game management has improved. Last season, we lost about 5-6 games by a single score, this year we have done the reverse.
We also now tend to keep calm if we fall behind in a game, after years of always trying to play catch up rugby. Basic stuff and things Leeds, Saints, Wigan etc have been doing for years.
Confidence and team spirit is there for all to see. However, ask most Hull fans and they'll not be so confident against Leeds this Friday. Beating Leeds will be a major monkey off our back. For years we always had a good record against Leeds, but in the past decade our victories have been few and far between.
We hope for a win and hope to get to the Super 8's in first place. However, we have also been good at taking each game as it comes this season. It will be interesting how teams treat the final three games of the regular season, we have Leeds, Rovers and Salford and then the CC Semi Final.
Don't doubt you'll come through comfortably through the Middle 8's, but still amazed in your dip in form this season, as much as I am by the improvement in ours.
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| Quote: chapylad "I doubt it but at least it makes the top 4 interesting probably to the last game of the season.
Only Wigan seem to want to finish top whilst the other 3 keep throwing it away.'"
Hull have won 15 of their last 17 games so not sure they're throwing much away at all
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| Quote: settle rhino "I agree with Marty. I think Hetherington will give him 1 more season to prove it was a one off.'"
As much as my heart says this shouldn't happen I think the odds are that it will. MMcD will get another six months at least to turn it around.
The more interesting question is do fans want him to succeed or not?
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| Quote: Fallon "As much as my heart says this shouldn't happen I think the odds are that it will. MMcD will get another six months at least to turn it around.
The more interesting question is do fans want him to succeed or not?'"
Surely all fans want him to succeed???
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| I'd find it really hard to believe that when Hetherington takes a long hard look at this season he won't be anything other than appalled and embarrassed. He may well accept some of the excuses as a partial cause, and may blame some of the senior players, but to imagine he wouldn't have BM in his sights is beyond odd. This has been the worst season in Hetherington's tenure and even assuming we survive the Middle 8s with plenty to spare is just about on a par with the worst in the club's history.
Its also clear that some of the senior players have let themselves down badly. Some of the grabbing instead of tackling, lazy marker play, inability to even form a straight line and dreadful reads (accounting for two of Widnes' tries on Sunday) ought to be unacceptable for professional players who are supposedly at or near the top of their sport. Having said that, whilst the players are the ones missing tackles, its the coach's job to get the best out of the players he has. I'd love to see McDermott claim with a straight face that he's managed to do that for more than a couple of games or spells in games over the season.
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| Quote: Rugby Raider "Fair point.
Our difference in form this season is primarily two fold. Firstly, a much stronger pack, allowing the backs to express themselves more. Secondly our game management has improved. Last season, we lost about 5-6 games by a single score, this year we have done the reverse.
We also now tend to keep calm if we fall behind in a game, after years of always trying to play catch up rugby. Basic stuff and things Leeds, Saints, Wigan etc have been doing for years.
Confidence and team spirit is there for all to see. However, ask most Hull fans and they'll not be so confident against Leeds this Friday. Beating Leeds will be a major monkey off our back. For years we always had a good record against Leeds, but in the past decade our victories have been few and far between.
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Agree with that.
I had you in the top 4 if you could move Pryce on as IMO you were a halfback short of a top of the table finish.
Your pack is pretty mobile too and you have the backs that can finish.
I also had my doubts about Radford but talking to a few Hull blokes they rated him and told me he would come good.
Just shows I know nothing!
We would need a massive turn of form to put one over you on Friday night.
Although playing with a recognised hooker might help us a bit.
I also am not confident we will breeze through the middle 8`s as other clubs seem to have more desire than we do and more organisation oh and they don`t have a coach who has completely lost the plot.
Good luck for the rest of the season.
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| Quote: tad rhino "David furner is the most mentioned replacement'"
Oh dear Lord.
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| "If you take the context out of the game, that was a good performance."....Quoted by Mr McDermott post-match. This is the type of quote I spent years listening to from Paul Cullen at Warrington...Totally meaningless gobble-de-Gook. Having no axe to grind I'm fearful for the future of the game with a much reduced Leeds club. Despite your terrible season you still had 16,000+ for the fixture many of whom follow the club home and away...You regularly fill the east stand at Warrington worth many thousands of pounds on the gate. I dread to think what would happen if the situation doesn't change at Leeds. I don't normally bash coaches but if you look closely at your coaches record it doesn't take much examining. He didn't pull up any trees in London and inherited a classy Leeds side which a monkey on a stick should have been able to coach. That team has grown older and slower and key players have retired...The coaches job should have been to replace those players with at least as much ability, or more, those he replaced. Sometimes fans show blind loyalty instead of common sense. Times up for Mr McDermott I'm afraid.
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| Quote: BrianBradyHandOff ""If you take the context out of the game, that was a good performance."....Quoted by Mr McDermott post-match. This is the type of quote I spent years listening to from Paul Cullen at Warrington...Totally meaningless gobble-de-Gook. Having no axe to grind I'm fearful for the future of the game with a much reduced Leeds club. Despite your terrible season you still had 16,000+ for the fixture many of whom follow the club home and away...You regularly fill the east stand at Warrington worth many thousands of pounds on the gate. I dread to think what would happen if the situation doesn't change at Leeds. I don't normally bash coaches but if you look closely at your coaches record it doesn't take much examining. He didn't pull up any trees in London and inherited a classy Leeds side which a monkey on a stick should have been able to coach. That team has grown older and slower and key players have retired...The coaches job should have been to replace those players with at least as much ability, or more, those he replaced. Sometimes fans show blind loyalty instead of common sense. Times up for Mr McDermott I'm afraid.'"
The recruitment of players is handled by Hetherington. Same as at any club. Of course there's input from the coach but in the end recruitment of players is a financial and a managerial decision and so is ultimately taken by the CEO/Chairman more so than the head coach.
Even so, Galloway has been one of our better performers in the pack overall this season. The big issue recruitment wise is hooker. But even taking that into account we still shouldn't be bottom of the table. That can't be attributed solely to either the hooker issue or the coach(es) underperforming/getting it wrong.
People often go on about how it's the Head Coach's responsibility to get a team to perform. Well I agree with that but with the rather significant caveat that his ability to do that is limited by several factors, the single biggest being the players themselves. They have a responsibility to perform in the same way as the coach does. And as we've seen numerous times this season, there are plenty of Leeds players who have to share the blame (along with the coach) for our performances this season.
It's why I am generally averse to sacking coaches as I think it happens far too often without much thought having gone into it and I see it as being the "easy option".
I'd also say that just as clubs wouldn't sack a successful player after 1 poor season I don't think a club should sack a coach in a similar fashion.
This season for Leeds has been a combination of factors in my opinion. The injuries and training ground issues have been a factor, as has the hangover from the win last year. We're obviously low on confidence and have been unable to get it back. The hooker issue is a big one that wasn't sorted properly by the management. The coaching staff have to take their share of the blame but so do the players, especially the senior players who have generally not performed this year.
I think the players should get the majority of the praise when we win and so I think they should get their fair share of the blame when we perform so poorly.
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| Quote: Him "The recruitment of players is handled by Hetherington. Same as at any club. Of course there's input from the coach but in the end recruitment of players is a financial and a managerial decision and so is ultimately taken by the CEO/Chairman more so than the head coach.
Even so, Galloway has been one of our better performers in the pack overall this season. The big issue recruitment wise is hooker. But even taking that into account we still shouldn't be bottom of the table. That can't be attributed solely to either the hooker issue or the coach(es) underperforming/getting it wrong.
People often go on about how it's the Head Coach's responsibility to get a team to perform. Well I agree with that but with the rather significant caveat that his ability to do that is limited by several factors, the single biggest being the players themselves. They have a responsibility to perform in the same way as the coach does. And as we've seen numerous times this season, there are plenty of Leeds players who have to share the blame (along with the coach) for our performances this season.
It's why I am generally averse to sacking coaches as I think it happens far too often without much thought having gone into it and I see it as being the "easy option".
I'd also say that just as clubs wouldn't sack a successful player after 1 poor season I don't think a club should sack a coach in a similar fashion.
This season for Leeds has been a combination of factors in my opinion. The injuries and training ground issues have been a factor, as has the hangover from the win last year. We're obviously low on confidence and have been unable to get it back. The hooker issue is a big one that wasn't sorted properly by the management. The coaching staff have to take their share of the blame but so do the players, especially the senior players who have generally not performed this year.
I think the players should get the majority of the praise when we win and so I think they should get their fair share of the blame when we perform so poorly.'"
You shouldn't underestimate the hooker situation, it wouldn't be so bad if we could just blame GH for getting his signing wrong (assuming it was him who identified falloon, it could have been Mac or even an assistant who did the research into the possible hookers)
However it is Macs decision to not play a hooker at all which totally derails the team, we only have one halfback and therefore become very easy to predict in attack
Not playing Falloon when fit is criminal but even when he isn't we should stick someone like Keinhorst into 9 as any normal coach would
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| For me it's only in context where Galloway looks respectable.
He started awfully and has pulled himself up to the dizzy heights of ok.
For me he's still part of the problem not the solution.
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