Brett Kimmorley please!

On what evidence - that he was a good player?

If you go to Australia for a coach, you need to do your research. Just because someone's a good assistant doesn't mean they'll make a good first team coach. Sometimes luck is involved too - Maguire was very highly rated and Wigan got him because it was probably a year or so too early for an NRL club to take a punt on him.

Suspect we'd need some fresh players for this to work. Given the age-related limitations of some of our players, would they be able to implement anything much different to what they do currently?

For what it's worth, I fully expect BMD to be in place this time next year.

Too much emphasis on the CC? could have been the last chance for a few of them

I don't see any reason to doubt you on that.

He's got a very good reputation as a coach and would be able to get our attacking structures firing.

Another name I'd throw in would be Jason Taylor - took Souths to the semis without the star line-up they have now, assistant at the Roosters the last couple of years and always talks real sense when interviewed. He used to do a piece each week in the SMH where he'd explain the finer details of any given teams tactics - he's very astute, but I'd guess will probably want an NRL top job next rather than superleague.

But if it's the ''last chance'' isn't that evidence enough the team is now pretty much past it?

I just hope that Gawwy's next jaunt down under is more productive than his last few.

Surely all these "close working partnerships" we got in return for letting players move to NRL clubs on their terms for next to nowt could do us a favour back? Right?

Has Gawwy ever been challenged on these official business trips?

Only if he wants more ice in his champagne bucket.

Jason Taylor was rubbish as a head coach as well. Ended up getting chinned by one of his players IIRC. That's my point - a good assistant may always be just that - a good assistant. That doesn't necessarily mean they can be a good head coach at all.

I thought long and hard before making comment, I have never been a fan of McD, he took over a very good side with players who did not know when to give up. However he has allowed the side to grow old without making any replacement. Yes at the start of the season are defence was excellent but old limbs cannot keep it up all season. Taking out the Cup the end of the season has been a disgrace from Wakefield onwards we have played the worst football I have seen from a Leeds side, there is no structure in the attack, the forwards look worn out, not using replacements on the bench. On Saturday you just had to look at Kylie to realise he shot, the man has been a monster for the club but I cannot see him lasting another season. Apart from the ST Helens game Leeds always looked like losing, there was no spark. What the coach should have been doing is what great coach do, when you win something you don't sit on your laurals, compare Leeds 2004 side with 2007 look at the changes in the side, compare Leeds 2011 and 2014 bar a couple its the same side.

I said two years ago we need two new props and at least one new half back, McD signing have been strange to say the least, Moore, Grifhin and Brisco, and who could forget Joe Vickery. At times you feel its the players ego that run the team not the coach. I fear unless a new coach comes in it will be a long time before Leeds are back at Old Trafford, I do hope I am wrong but I don't think he has the strength to make the changes.

And it's a perfectly valid and well made point given the subject of this thread.

I don't think Jason Taylor was rubbish at all - sure he made mistakes, but he was and still is a young coach, they all make mistakes, even the experiences ones. And 'throat chop' from David Faalogo happened on an end of season mad Monday session, I don't think that 1 incident should define his coaching career.