Having not been outraged at this incident I will discuss any subsequent incidents in a similar fashion to how I've discussed this one, without outrage.

That's the ticket.

Rule one of precendents - the facts and issues have to be substantially the same...rlBailey/Fasavalu was not foul play because Fasavalu ducked into the tacklerl

In any case where has this idea that Shoulder charges can't also be high tackles come from. It has no basis in the laws of the game which state that it is foul play if "when effecting or attempting to effect a tackle makes contact with the head or neck of an opponent intentionally, recklessly or carelessly".

In Bailey/Fasavalu there was no intentional, reckless or careless contact with the head. I don't accept that as being the same for Moa.



I disagree this is exactly why it was a reckless tackle. Moa could see how tall Rinaldi was and therefore should have adjusted his technique accordingly. He made no attempt whatsoever to bring his shoulder below Rinaldi's head height which to me is at best careless and more probably reckless. [EDIT ]

Also on this basis wouldn't any high tackle on Rob Burrow be fair game as anyone else would have been fine?!

Bugger was this Forum around in 1979?? christ I could have logged on on My ZX81 and made a load of controversial posts about Fred Lindop, and Billy Thompson.....plus I could have laughed at the pie eaters when they got relegated in 1980....missed out there havent I...?

By the way when did you start watching leeds? 1997 when you shelled out a world record £350,000 for Iestyn Harris,or did you just wait for the trophies to roll in seven years later.....?

lets face it you didnt win your first title until the 1960's and you had been going for 90 years if the Wiganers find that out they'll have a field day...they're dead interested in History and stuff.....

best of luck on Friday anyway.

Not sure if/when exactly they changed the rules, but I've always thought the shoulder charge to the head is a dangerous tackle and should lead to suspension. I have no problem with a legal shoulder charge, but players need to know they are taking a risk when they do it.

The rules have not changed and you are 100% correct

Nathan Massey dropped on Sinfield in the 79th minute at Castleford (it didn't go unnoticed by Sinfield either) in a similar manner to the Bridge forearm drop onto Jeffries ...... genuine question has Massey been referred?

I'll assume not. The only consistency out of the Red Hall Disciplinary is their inconsistency.

Did he lead with elbow in a dangerous manner? Didnt look like it

Whenever I read a sentence like that it reminds me of Cassidy, and I don't mean Eva.

TVOC -re-Massey that was more of a "flop" and nothing like Bridges effort on Jeffries.

It was just totally needless. The guy was too pumped up after what was initially a great hit. Thought the ref descision was right - he just needed to cool off. What a headcase.

Not least to their own bodies. I have seen plenty of broken bodies (including my own) as a result of poorly executed shoulder sharges.

There's also the fact that the action is fairly telegraphed, and the potential receiver can see what's about to happen and avoid it fairly easily with a bit of footwork.

I don't believe that is why Sinfiled was annoyed and looked at the ref. check out the "tackle" that felled him in the first place. I'm pretty sure he was tripped.
I couldn't understand why he was hacked off to begin with, then I watched it a few times. The camera just catches it.

Say that 5 times fast.