I would suggest as major stakeholders we have a massive say in who the chief exec is - it works out in the commercial world?

You cannot continue to make mistakes of the nature Hetherington has recently and expect to continue.

Much easier to make a success when you have almost unlimited funds i.e. Caddick, given the economic climate I wonder if the financial state of the club is quite as bouyant?

If Leeds take a tax hit - which seems likely now - on the scale that people are talking about that would have very serious implications to the long term stability of the club.

Where the alarm bells started ringing for me was McClennan's contract dealings, McClennan was far too clever and left Hetherington exposed big style.

Debating coaches and players and tactics is one thing.

Throwing in a serious theory that GH, part owner with a track record to beat anyone else in the game over the last 10 years, sacks himself is a waste of everyones time because it is never going to happen.

Its a private company and we ain't stakeholders, we are paying punters. Nothing more. The good thing about that is not that we can drive out GH, but that if crowds and therefore revenue fall as a result of the drivel served up so far this season, he might act sooner than expected in correcting his dreadful coaching appointments.

The only way anyone can have a say in who is CEO is by buying the club, and I don't see that happening anytime soon.

There's some real feeling there. I agree in some ways regarding playing style etc.

This is the bit that's hard for some to accept. You can't stay out infront all the time with the salary cap in place - it's impossible. Saints are the nearest comparrison to us , but it's easy to forget they haven't won the title since 2006, and won nothing for 2 years. It's now a question of "do we trust the guy in charge to realise what needs doing, and to then go ahead and do it right"?
We may have to take this season like a kick in the nuts and live with it.

In these days of salary cap equality, a certain amount of fall & decline is inevitable.

But it is relative and what for Leeds is decline for others would be triumph.

Leeds will as usual finish the season stronger than they started especially with star players returning.

But you have been spoiled with 3 straight GF wins and I feel you will come to regard that as a golden era to be looked back on fondly.

It's not the norm and that golden era has passed but of course Leeds will remain a great club who will always be in contention and always respected.

Cyclical you say?

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I accept the points about any sport being cyclical, particularly a SC one, but I don't believe that many (sane) fans expect Leeds to win either trophy every year. Personally, now that we've done the "winning it" bit, I can live without success for a few years, as long as we are competitive and maximise what we have got to work with, and this is the bit that we are failing with in my view.

The current group of players are much more capable than they are currently showing, and although some are not what I would hope to see playing for Leeds, they are individually and collectively capable of much better.

So is the problem the coach, the players, or both? I suspect it's a bit of both, but given the fact that any changes in contracted players would probably involve paying them off and that would count on the cap, I guess we won't be seeing many changes in playing staff mid season. That leaves us with trying to get the most out of what we have (until the end of the year when there will be a whole host of players moving on I suspect) and begs the question "do we (or GH) believe that the current coaching team can achieve our potential this year?"

We will find out the answer over Easter I think.

I'm on that ... I like that ... a lot!

Another thought ... this is very familiar ...is spellchecker TVOC?

At least we know Gotcha's real name now...

Whoever said we should sign Connolly and Poching was not wrong.

I don't think we will find out over Easter.

Why?

Because Leeds fixtures over Easter are against Bradford and Crusaders... two teams whose recent performances have been even more lamentable.

If Leeds are still saving their worst performance of the season for later, I doubt it would equate to them getting mullered 56-16 by Salford.

So the revenue from customers drops, profitability drops what happens? regime change it happens RL is not immune - how did GH end up being at Leeds in the first place?

GH ended up at Leeds because he and Paul Caddick bought the club. If as you say the revenue and profitability drops and the club is put up for sale (which I think we are a million miles from) then the only people who have a say in who the new CEO is are those willing to buy it as I said.

I watched the Bulls v Salford yesterday and the Bulls were terrible once they realised they were not going to win. For the first 10 minutes of each half they were ok (not good), showed some shape in both defence and attack, but then switched off completely to let Salford run away with it. If they can put in a performance lasting 25 minutes per half instead of just 10, then I can see them potentially beating Leeds. The Bulls problem was lack of effort, whereas Leeds problem is complete lack of structure. I know which is easier to fix...

Yup. spot on.

can't wait for Thursday.



Must win for both.

I'm really hoping that we don't get subjected to another poor performance from Leeds this season like we did on Friday and we are already at our lowest ebb.

Good thing it is Bradford then we're playing based on their performance against Salford. Surely we can't be as bad as that lot ?

Problem is I bet Potter won't be relying on fiddling with a rubber glove to inspire his players on to greater efforts.

Pull the pin...........

....and run like hell!!!

This is the sort of response that I have always said is just sticking the head in the sand.

These things do not have to be cyclical at all. There is a huge difference between winning trophy's (and there is only 3 a year on offer and generally 2 go to the same team), and actually challenging. Where Leeds are now is not challenging. Whether they would have continued winning trophy's or not is irrelevant, but we should have still strengthened from a position of strength, to ensure we were still giving ourselves an opportunity to win those trophy's.

I would agree with that but this is a mistake GH has made 3 times during his tenure.

The other thing that I find strange is the attitude that we have won the four times and we should be jolly grateful - that the failure of the club in the past justifies continued failure in the future.

This along with Wigan Leeds is the biggest club in the league, the argument about salary cap is rubbish IMO. If managed correctly the club should have access to the best young talent around. Most squads have a proliferation of youngsters and Leeds should have a higher quality crop and - with higher revenues - more funding to develop them. The club should always be in position of strength - the fact that it is not has to be a question of management decision making.

I thought I was being reslistic. What do you think is actually going to happen?

Cant disagree with that. We shouldnt expect trophies every year, but we should expect to be competing for them.