At some stage he passed from being a slightly odd, highly driven character with immense self belief into an aggressive loon who clearly believed in his own mythology. The current situation we're in started well before the end of his watch, with the laughably amateur treatment of junior development. It was clear he really had no idea what to do to replace the Golden Generation, and our decline since then until he left is as much his fault as Hetherington's.

If he seriously thinks every player should be capable of 80 minutes then he's a fool. Big bopper forwards train to do short bursts, and even those with amazing stamina can't generally do more than 50-60 minutes a game, and most far less. If they trained to play 80 minutes they could, but they'd be far less dynamic.

hetherington putting brian mac, then barrie mac then Morley in charge was terrible judgement

Completely agree about Barrie. Morley was not there long.
As for Brian Mc, I know he was could upset people but for the most part he got results, more SL titles than any other coach and I know he asked for certain people to be signed at end of the golden period and did not get them.

He was not daft , he knew what big gaps were being left in particular when McGuire left.

McDermott used league games at times to test and stretch players , sometimes it looked nuts but he was all about getting them capable of going above and beyond when push came to shove in big games. I don’t recall him doing the unused sub routine in big games unless we were winning by plenty.

He could do this type of thing because he had a hardened core of quality players.

He used some league matches to test and trial and push players and see what reaction he got. His job was not youth development that was Barrie McDermott. For mine that’s where we went wrong.

I was not a big fan myself but he was good at pushing some players buttons and getting responses. He also pushed players to come up with answers themselves in games.

I don’t think it would work with this group but his record speaks for itself.
I’d add he left in 2018 and we are now 5 years on, I don’t think he carries any blame for current state.

Anyone else feel that the daily clips from the glory years on the Rhinos twitter page are a bit naff given the current context?

don't do social media myself but I guess some might like it

It's a bit Bullseye, as in look at what you could have won... Tone deaf.

You do realise you’re on social media right now? Lol

but I'm really not.....lol

Yep, its absolutely tone deaf, making me mad and totally turning me off watching this current shower..

You really are looking for anything to moan about



Its a clip of a try from the same day on a previous season, not always a winning season, its content. Dont be so upset about everything

Get a grip

Its great to look back on the history etc but yeah, its very grating and the adverts for merch have begun again trying push the unsold tripe weve been lumbered with from Oxen. Things are returning to normality I guess.

So should the club just stop publishing any content and engage with old and new supporters, should it not try and sell merch just because weve lost some games?

It's come to something when a 30 second clip of Leeds scoring a try triggers some of our fans.

Its ridiculous, I'd worry about my mental health if something like that was affecting me.

Totally agree with you .

It would be better though if the club reached out to the Fans more as we are losing supporters who have supported the club for years ( not just the Golden years ) and the lack of new supporters and youngsters coming to the home games is a long term worry .
Our away support is dreadful and that is all down to G.H

Reach out to the fans more in what way?

How do you know its all down to Hetherington? You dont think the cost of living crisis has anything to do with it, or the product on the pitch, its just GH's fault?

it's probably just filling in on non news days

Its all about consistency, the more content you pump out the more likely someone is going to see something they want to engage with, for example, like reply or share, this will then show up on other peoples time lines, and reach new audiences with the potential to grow the Rhinos brand.

Now now mate, no need for that. Just saying how it makes me feel. It's a bit tone deaf imo and i'm fed up of it. This decline has gone on too long. I've been going to games for nearly 40 years so i have a right to be peed off.

I do actually think Rhinos social media is good on the whole and one of the best in SL

But why is it tone deaf though? I cannot understand why they shouldnt be posting on social media because weve lost some games and the season isnt going as supporters and the club hoped.
I really like the try of the day videos, its nostalgia and brings back good memories.

If other clubs did it and we didnt supporters would moan that our social media isnt good enough and the club arent putting enough effort in.

In some peoples eyes the club just cannot do anything right.

It's not that we have 'just lost some games'.... the loss against Wakefield and Cas were absolutely shocking and up there with the most embarrassing of the last 15 years. Quite rightly many fans are fuming about it and just where we are currently as a team. It's simply not good enough and it keeps happening and happening. I think videos like that, at this certain period aren't great.. many fans are raging.

Anyway, that's in my opinion and some others on here. There's no wrong or wright. Move on.

Are you still raging about those two defeats?

I was annoyed at the time but probably after an hour after the game i had moved on with my life and left those feelings there.

Lifes too short to hold on to anger, especially when its just a game.