There's a show on HBO made with NFL Films called "Hard Knocks", which follows an NFL team through its pre-season training camp with unparalleled access to the locker rooms, team meetings etc.

Would be interesting to see a rugby league version of that, rather than maybe a full season.

I completely agree. I suspect that the stuff that would interest the likes of us was probably edited out.

I also think that the England job is not for him either. Quite honestly if Tony Smith couldn't manage it then I doubt very much if there is anyone out there who could. Australia could field at least three teams who could beat us. Whoever does it is on a hiding to nothing. And I hope for his sake Shaun turns it down when McNamara gets the chop in November. Maybe there are some Leeds fans who hope Brian Mc gets offered a chance!!!

The thing with Tony Smith's reign and the ill fated 2008 WC was the apparent Leeds/Saints split in the camp. You'd have to imagine Wane would pick quite a Wigan heavy squad and team line-up and would they be a potential of a Wigan/rest of squad split like in 2008?

Yes. That's another reason why it wouldn't work. I'm not sure players from other clubs would necessarily buy in to SWs style.

The 2008 World Cup was a fiasco from start to finish. But Smith is the best coach in Super League and has been for some time. His efforts at Wire this season after losing Briers Hodgson and Morley have been excellent. And respect also for the way he carried himself after the game. As I say though the England job is a poison chalice for whoever is unfortunate enough to get it.

Tony Smith also had about the weakest outside backs GB has ever had, and had the added disadvantage of the Australians playing second man RL which would at the time have been called obstruction in SL but not in the NRL. He actually had to spend time coaching an international team on how to read basic second man plays.

The idea that England could somehow rough up the Aussies (and particularly the Kiwis) is laughable. As is the idea that it would put them off their game.

I don't think this would be a great experience for fans of the team selected to follow, especially if it is during a bad year that they have. I know in the late 90s, there was 'Premier Passions' (I think it was) following the mighty Mackems when Peter Reid was in charge of them in the Premier League. Sunderland did terribly that year and among Newcastle fans / non-Sunderland fans in the North East stuff that was aired in that series is still used to wind the red and whites up at times.

For instance, if they followed Leeds on a season where they came say 6th or 7th and were knocked out of the cup early doors, you'd basically be supplying free ammunition to fans of pretty much everyone else. Conversely however, who would actually watch it if it followed a geographically smaller team like Cas or Wakey...?

I'd love to see Tony Smith give the England job another go. He was the best coach we've had in a long time coaching arguably the weakest England team we've ever had (Lee Smith, Calderwood, Sykes, Purdham, Gleeson (at stand off) *shudder*. We're still not where we'd like to be in terms of personnel but we're massively better off compared to 6 years ago.

I don't think it's McNamara's style anyway. I have actually been quietly impressed with what he's done the last couple of years, and if he can use what we've got to the maximum and get the team defending well then we have a chance (small, but it's there) against Australia and more than a chance against NZ.

Leeds is not a town it's a major city

Watch this space.

Ooooh. Don't be a tease, tell! If it's a programme like I suggested then I want some royalties.

That Kate'll do nicely...

And your point is? Sorry I've not got time for this petty talk i have a grand final to attend

.....me too and we both found time to visit a Leeds Rhinos forum. I'm a Leeds fan but I don't know what that says about you.

Wane's face was an absolute picture as Ben Flower was walking off

If ever Wane was to go up in my estimation he has to come out and take some of the flack off this Flower incident.

He needs to come out and say I am partly responsible for the way I coached and riled up the players and all the pre match stuff about hating Saints.

it was pretty special. that look of incredibility on his face. probably looked the same the first time someone showed hiw how a lighter worked =D

Which programe was this.....in our local club watching the GF and some one mentioned it about Wane

Hope you had a fun day out flower.

Quote ="cowboys"Which programe was this.....in our local club watching the GF and some one mentioned it about Wane'" https://www.facebook.com/video.php?v=938394902841628 This is Wane's thugby League attitude

Quote ="cowboys"Which programe was this.....in our local club watching the GF and some one mentioned it about Wane'" https://www.facebook.com/video.php?v=938394902841628 This is Wane's thugby League attitude

Says it all

That video is so embarrassing for Rugby League

That is disgraceful.

Wane's interview after the game was almost as embarrassing. Wigan might be only 50 miles away but he came across as a grunting, unintelligible ape, who I struggled to decipher what he was actually saying.

Apologies if this posts more than once, having some logging in issues....

ANyway, have any of you any links to Wane as a player on the popular video clip website? Have been looking but cant find anything, I vaguely remember his as a Leeds player, but dont remember anyhting too significant?