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I don't remember seeing Ellery Hanley play. It says 91-95 on wiki, so his last season must've been my 1st, as we'd just signed Entat from PSG when I first watched a game on Sky with my old man in a bar in Gran Canaria.

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Entat came to us from Avignon. But he couldn't dislodge Holroyd from the team by that point. 94/95 was Ellery's last year, but what an incredible one it was for him personally.

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Entat went to PSG from us. Think we signed him from Avignon.

Hanley was the best ever for me. Past his best when he came to Leeds, but still one hell of a player.

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Often wonder what Leeds could've achieved if they'd not had all the cliques and fallings out in that 80s and early 90s era. So many talented players came through the club. When you read accounts of what it was like behind the scenes (books by Bentley, Schofield, Crooks, Gregory, Bamford and Laughton) it's a wonder you did as well as you did.

The imports alone from that era make a heck of a team:

Gurr
Grothe
Jackson
Innes
Currie
Lyons
Coleman
Backo
Clark
Tunks
Paterson
Izzard
Laurie

Ettingshausen
Jones
Iro
Fullerton Smith
Bell

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I’m going to be slightly different. I’ve been season ticket holder since 1980 but watched a few games before then.

Given to so hard I’ve come up with a new format and have gone for my favourite loiners and Rhinos teams so have. Pre and post SL team…I even thought about selecting a UK only team (one for another thread perhaps and even a best overseas team?)

Maybe not the ‘best ever’ (although several undoubtedly are) but a combination of best/my favourites… Anyway….here goes.

PRE SL TEAM

1. ET
2. ALAN SMITH
3. GARRY SCHOFIELD
4. TONY CURRIE
5. JOHN ATKINSON
6. JOHN HOLMES
7. CLIFF LYONS
8. LEE CROOKS (didn’t want to be here and injured a lot but still great on his day)
9. DAVID WARD
10. STEVE PITCHFORD
11. CRAIG IZZARD
12. GRAEME ECCLES
13. ELLERY HANLEY

SL TEAM

1. BRENT WEBB (really wanted to pick Harris but deciding factor over Webb was his departure and return from union)
2. SCOTT DONALD
3. TONY CARROLL ( not here long but still 31 try’s in 50 games and unstoppable when in the mood)
4. KEITH SENIOR
5. RYAN HALL
6. MAGSY
7 BURROW
8. KYLIE
9. DANNY BUDERUS
10. JAMIE PEACOCK
11. ALI
12. ADRIAN MORLEY
13 SIR KEV

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Quote: LeedsLurch "not a lot to add to those already mentioned but for the longer suffering fans on here the only glaring ommision i can see is Cliff Lyons. Came to us from Manly i believe and was relatively unkown and went on to play State of Origin and Australia'"


Oooof what a player Cliffy was. Had a tremendous career. Great shout.

Amazed people have picked Tonie Carroll i have to say but its all personal choices and opinions.

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Quote: cheekydiddles "I’m going to be slightly different. I’ve been season ticket holder since 1980 but watched a few games before then.

Given to so hard I’ve come up with a new format and have gone for my favourite loiners and Rhinos teams so have. Pre and post SL team…I even thought about selecting a UK only team (one for another thread perhaps and even a best overseas team?)

Maybe not the ‘best ever’ (although several undoubtedly are) but a combination of best/my favourites… Anyway….here goes.

PRE SL TEAM

1. ET
2. ALAN SMITH
3. GARRY SCHOFIELD
4. TONY CURRIE
5. JOHN ATKINSON
6. JOHN HOLMES
7. CLIFF LYONS
8. LEE CROOKS (didn’t want to be here and injured a lot but still great on his day)
9. DAVID WARD
10. STEVE PITCHFORD
11. CRAIG IZZARD
12. GRAEME ECCLES
13. ELLERY HANLEY

SL TEAM

1. BRENT WEBB (really wanted to pick Harris but deciding factor over Webb was his departure and return from union)
2. SCOTT DONALD
3. TONY CARROLL ( not here long but still 31 try’s in 50 games and unstoppable when in the mood)
4. KEITH SENIOR
5. RYAN HALL
6. MAGSY
7 BURROW
8. KYLIE
9. DANNY BUDERUS
10. JAMIE PEACOCK
11. ALI
12. ADRIAN MORLEY
13 SIR KEV'"


Two cracking sides them

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Quote: Once were Loiners "This is really hard isn't it....I started watching in 1981. My team for what its worth

In last 40 years the winger with the best big game record is Tom Briscoe, nobody has picked him as second choice behind Ryan Hall. We’ve had plenty who have failed to deliver in big games but bar losing the ball v Catalans , Briscoe has a long list of big game high performance and success.

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Quote: Bullseye "Often wonder what Leeds could've achieved if they'd not had all the cliques and fallings out in that 80s and early 90s era. So many talented players came through the club. When you read accounts of what it was like behind the scenes (books by Bentley, Schofield, Crooks, Gregory, Bamford and Laughton) it's a wonder you did as well as you did.

The imports alone from that era make a heck of a team

Some very good players and a few like Gavin Jones who flattered to deceive, which probably summed up that era in total they rarely failed to disappoint

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Quote: The Ghost of '99 "1 Harris
2 Bai
3 Schofield
4 Senior (I tried, but I couldn't quite justify Brad Godden)
5 Hall
6 Sinfield
7 McGuire
8 Leuluai
9 Buderus
10 Peacock
11 Morley
12 Ellis
13 Hanley (c)

14 Burrow
15 Lauiti'iti
16 Prior
17 Ablett

Coach - this isn't a project of the type which would suit Tony Smith although I'm sure he could do it. It might more suited to McDermott, possibly to Douggie (although the changing room might be a bloodbath) and definitely to Bluey. But let's be honest Graham Murray is the man for the job here.

Close calls
you must have seen holmes and cliff lyons

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Quote: Marty Grrrrrrrrrr! "1 - Harris
2 - Grothe
3 - Schofield
4 - Senior
5 - Hall
6 - Holmes
7 - Sinfield
8 - Crooks
9 - Ward
10 - Peacock
11- Morley
12 - Izzard
13- Hanley

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14 - Lauitiiti
15 - Maguire
16 - Leuluai
17 - McDermott

Very difficult task because we are lucky that Leeds always have outstanding players even when we havent had great teams. So many have to left out.

Full backs ET, Webb and Zak. All terrific. Iestyn was pure class under Graham Murray tho. So good. His step, so much time on the ball, top player.

How could i leave out Atky and Alan Smith on the wings? Well i only saw the back end of Atky before he left for Carlisle and Eric Grothe was a bit special for 16 games he was a superstar. Him and Hall on the wings would be frightening. Cummins, Sterling, Donald and Fallon served Leeds well.

One of the greatest centres ive ever seen for Leeds was Tony Currie he was sensational. A truly fantastic player but Schoey and Senior did it for longer. Les Dyl , Hague, Watkins and Moon all deserve a mention. Brad Godden was a super player too. Harry Newman has the potential to be up there if he continues to develop.

Leaving Robbie and Maggsy out in the halves was tough both incredible but in the history of Leeds RL Sir Kev and John Holmes are the top 2 for me. The 2 most important players in the clubs history. Kevin Dick, Coleman, Daryl Powell all served the club well.

Props, hard to leave out Tunks, Fleary, Prior, Dixon, Jeff Grayshon had a good year for us. I liked Faimalo too but Lee Crooks didnt want to be at Leeds and many judge him on that but he was a world class RL player, had it all. This country hasnt produced many better. What would Crooks have been like if he had wanted to play for us? JP nothing needs to said, a collosus, a true Leeds RL hall of fame player. In future years Mikolaj could be pushing this team.

Hooker i supppose Terry Newton, Jackson, Disko and Buderus are only ones that could get near David Ward. The hooking role has changed over the years but when i watch games from 70s and early 80s everytime i think Wardy was only one that i wish we had in the modern game. He was tough, industrious and quality. Great leader and player.

Had to leave out Gareth Ellis and Roy Powell in the second row plus Ablett and JJB of course. All 4 was outstanding for Leeds. Phil Cookson and Graham Eccles also. The young Morley we had was like a runaway horse. An all time great. What a player. Craig Izzard in his 1st stint at Leeds was incredible. Its difficult cos some was outstanding over 1 short stint from Australia and some brilliant over a longer period. How do you choose?

Loose forward, well Dave Heron was a classy footballer. Marc Glanville wasnt quite so classy was he? Hard as nails tho. Ellery though i mean what can you say? A giant of the sport. To watch him play every week was eye opening, jaw dropping and beyond belief to be honest. Ive never seen anyone like him. If he had played his whole career at Leeds or maybe just 4 or 5 years longer he would the greatest in the clubs history. I never knew how good he was til i saw him week in and week out.

I picked a balanced bench, half, 2 props and a 2nd row. Ali Lau was just brilliant, Maggsy a legend, Kylie served us for a long time and Barrie Mc was always fun.

So many ive missed out, i know. Apologises to those.

We have been very lucky.'"


great summary cliff lyons would be my 7 though kevin dick my favourite from when started
some that might be in on short term stints and best days elsewhere
e,g bell being lf but has to be hanley

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Quote: Sir Gregory Parsloe "In last 40 years the winger with the best big game record is Tom Briscoe, nobody has picked him as second choice behind Ryan Hall. We’ve had plenty who have failed to deliver in big games but bar losing the ball v Catalans , Briscoe has a long list of big game high performance and success.'"


Briscoe is good in attack but awful defending bombs. Plus him and his brother come off their wings and allow walk in tries.

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Quote: ArthurClues "Been watching since the winter of 79 so while I saw and worshipped the likes of Holmes, Atky, Smith, Dyl, Eccles and Ward they were all past their prime years. Ultimately I've gone largely with players who had me on the edge of my seat every time they touched the ball. Don't know about everybody else but prop was the one I really struggled with. McDermott (I was tempted to go for Prior) had me tearing my hair out for large parts of his career but he must have been a scary prospect for the opposition when focused. Darren Fleary just impotimised the Murray vintage of 98/99. Loved watching him play.
1) Harris
2) Grothe
3) Schofield
4) Currie
5) Hall
6) McGuire
7) Sinfield

agree re prop working my way down think would put morley there even though 2nd row at leeds , big roy powell was a favourite and trrevor paterson unsung in year of the queenslanders if grithe and izzard getting in

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Quote: Toosmooth "Leeds were a one man team with Harris. They immediately developed into a unit once he left.

Donald nearly made the cut on the wing, but Bai changed the game with the way he took the first hit ups. Loads of centres to choose from. Just going with personal preference. Always preferred Sinny at LF and Cuthbo again changed the way the game is played with his offloads.

Webb
Bai
Carroll
Moon
Hall
McGuire
Burrow
Peacock
Buderus
Leuluai
Ellis
Morley
Sinfield

Cuthbertson
Lauititi
McDermott
Diskin

Watkins made too many unforced errors and Senior never tried to defend high kicks. Despite his height, he just gave penalties away, by trying to block people off.'"


one man team ? blackmore and godden in the centres and best pack unit ever

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Quote: The Ghost of '99 "Yes I agree winger is a relatively weak spot for us. If it weren't for Marcus Bai I'd have put Jim Fallon in there without much hesitation. He really was good when he put his mind to it. You'd probably not have chosen to pair him with Iro if you could avoid it given they were both prone to absent mindedness - but outside a centre who would rev him up and keep an eye on him he'd be great.'"


blackmore and iro both semed to need to be punched to score a hat trick , some of the 70s greats were tarnished by being past it by the 82-84 semis when i started watching though seem to remember different players for the jp win

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