Well that's it we are in the middle 8's. It's time to get back on a winning streak and walk thru it with ease and have no messing about. We have to take every game seriously from now on in till the end

Doesn't even look like we'll have the big Leeds v Bradford game as they're 3 points adrift of the top 4 now.

Anyone genuinely 100% confident that Leeds won't end up in the lottery of the million pound game?

me. if we can't finish above the likes of batley we don't deserve to stay up

Yes if Segeyaro delivers at hooker. The messing around caused by no proper 9 again was the big issue today.

Nowt to do with finishing above Batley though, is it? If we finish below the other 3 SL sides (a distinct possibility, given that's where we are at the minute) we're in the MPG at best.

So unless you get to 10th Rhinos will only have 3 at home & 4 away - one likely being Leigh.

We wont go down im 100% certain.

9th and 10th get 4 home games.

However if you finish 10th you'll be away to Leigh. If you finish 11th you be at home against them.

If things stayed the same Leeds' fixture for the middle 8's would be

Home - Salford, London, Batley

Away - Hudds, HKR, Leigh, Halifax

Last year Bradford and Wakey ended up in 4th and 5th with 6 points each with a W3-L4 record so looking at 4 wins to try and avoid that.

Who would have thought at the start of the season that a treble winning side from the previous season and one who would also be involved in the WCC game against the NRL Premiers the North Queensland Cowboys would actually finish in the Wooden Spoon position on the Regular Season ladder after week 23 and would then be involved in the middle 8's competition?

I personally believe that the Rhinos were very lucky to do what they did last season and that the writing was clearly on the wall and that they were a side in terminal decline and that it urgently needed a total invigoration to cover the losses of legends of the club in the retiring Sinfield and Peacock but also for the ageing players like McGuire,Burrow,JJB.Ablett and the injury prone Delaney for 2016

I believe that the Rhinos will ultimately finish at the bottom of the pile and will create a new record of going from Hero's to Zero's within 12 months

I have just had a look at the possible fixtures that the Rhinos will face If they do finish in 12th position as I predict that they will

Home Games
9th placed SL Club
London (2nd placed Championship Club)
Batley or Bulls IMO (4th placed Championship Club)

Away Games
10th placed SL Club
Leigh
11th placed SL Club
Halifax IMO (3rd placed Championship Club)

Big day for Salford awaits with their points deduction appeal to see if they finish in the Super 8's or Middle 8's

The Rhinos urgently need to find some form going into the Middle 8's because every side will surely treat their games against them as a "once in a lifetime opportunity" of playing against them and also if they are successful could ultimately get the Rhinos relegated into the Championship for 2017

The pressure is now on the Rhinos to get out of this mess that they are in and to rebuild for 2017
But IMO they simply don't look like a side that is geared up for this high pressure survival competition to retain it's SL survival

I am worried for the Rhinos

There was nothing lucky last year - Leeds were the best team in the competition. If anything we've been unlucky this year, first with Sinfield leaving a year earlier than planned and then a bad injury list. That's not to excuse how dreadful we've been - I think if we played to our best we should be mid table at worst, even taking injuries into account.

What this season has highlighted is how average some of our squad are, how poor our junior development has been over a number of years, and how many senior players never took responsibility without Sinfield/Peacock to hold their hands. It has also clearly highlighted the limitations of our coach (and other off-field staff).

I do agree that a clear-out is required over the next couple of years, but what's happening to us may benefit in the longer term if lessons can be learned and the ugly reality faced now.

Think I'd prefer just 3 homes games to attend, rather than 4.

I could stand a Saturday afternoon game in Halifax.