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| Quote: BillyRhino "Quote: BillyRhino "Surely the burden of proof is on those who wish to prove existence and not those who believe otherwise.
If not you’re back to the “because I say it is so” argument where NOTHING can be either proved or disproved.
God falls in the same category as unicorns, the Easter Bunny, leprechauns or the Loch Ness Monster - until someone can categorically prove their existence then they don’t exist.'"
No. I think it is reasonable for both sides to provide some evidence in support of their respective beliefs. Facts are always open to interpretation, but failure to do so simply highlights the paucity of their arguments.The schoolboy response of "Please Miss, he started it!" never worked as an excuse in the playground, and the inability to at least try and substantiate your ideas is never a good starting point.
As an Agnostic, I hold the skeptical view as to the possible existence of an omniscient being, and believe that the existence of God cannot be proved. It doesn't mean that I am right, and should dismiss outright the views of others who hold Religious convictions as wrong.
However,on the other side of the debate to Kirkstaller is Gareth1984. Who is an Atheist, and as that is a definitive position which denies completely the idea of a GOD, I simply ask him to share with us his evidence for arriving at that particular viewpoint.
I'm not too sure I follow the logic in your last paragraph, re the Loch Ness Monster. For definitave proof simply text the Scottish Tourist Board..... ![]()
What a ridiculous post. The burden of proof is on he who says that God exists. It's bugger all to do with who 'started it', but rather the simple fact that it's impossible to prove a negative.
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| Quote: West Leeds Rhino "I know i've used the reading before, but Matthew 25
Faith is all you need. It doesn't matter how good you think you are, works cannot save you. Why? Grace can never be earned. You cannot earn your place in Heaven. Mercy only comes through faith alone. Therefore, anything we do in the area of religious works are not good deeds but attempts to bribe the judge of the universe. God will not be bribed.
This is what scripture tells us. Try reading John of the Pauline Epistles.
In reference to Matthew 25:31-46, this does not worry me as I believe that when one is born again such fruit is borne. I do however maintain that such good works have absolutely no bearing on salvation, for the reasons given above. We are still men, we are still fallible, we are still dripping in sin.
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| Quote: lionarmour87 "The thing that got me about Kirkstaller when he said all non believers/athiests etc are sinners,liars ,and adulterers.Now was he trolling here?If he is he is saying that its not possible be a non believer and be a good and decent person who shows goodwill to his or her fellow human beings,and at the same time even though you have been with the same partner for many years you are an adulterer and a thief ,and a liar.Well thats an awful lot of people to condemn.Wasnt Christ supposed to have said "vENGEANCE IS MINE"as well as other things .'"
We are ALL already condemned.
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| Quote: Gareth1984 "I suggest you actually learn what atheism actually means before you attempt to set up a straw man of my position. Atheism is in its broadest sense a lack of belief in God/s. What you describe is in fact "strong" atheism, however I do not subscribe to that particular viewpoint.'"
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| Quote: El Diablo "It should probably have a question mark then. ![]()
And I would've gotten away with it... 
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| Quote: kirkstaller "Faith is all you need. It doesn't matter how good you think you are, works cannot save you. Why? Grace can never be earned. You cannot earn your place in Heaven. Mercy only comes through faith alone. Therefore, anything we do in the area of religious works are not good deeds but attempts to bribe the judge of the universe. God will not be bribed.'"
What an unpleasant god you bow down to. I think I will choose a different one if that's alright with you. |
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| Quote: tigertot "What an unpleasant god you bow down to. I think I will choose a different one if that's alright with you.'"
Mine mine please...I implore you. My god is better than anybody else's god: believe me.
We're just finishing throwing a few scriptures together and chucking out others we don't like......we're then just going to wait for a king to endorse it and update it a bit here and there before publishing it in its finite version (hopefully without too many mis-translations).
We're going to get people to accept it without question as being our god's given word.
Join us: you know it makes sense. Only we will be rewarded with heaven; everybody else can go to hell even if they haven't heard of him. Others will be condemned despite being pretty good people as they have devoted themselves to other false gods despite them often not really having much choice. They're actually our god's mates all having a laugh with the stupid misguided twerps.....it's up to them to realise.  |
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| Quote: kirkstaller "Faith is all you need. '"
No it's not!
There's nothing you can do that can't be done.
Nothing you can sing that can't be sung.
Nothing you can say but you can learn how to play the game
It's easy.
There's nothing you can make that can't be made.
No one you can save that can't be saved.
Nothing you can do but you can learn how to be you
in time - It's easy.
All you need is love, all you need is love,
All you need is love, love, love is all you need.
Try reading John Lennon of the Paul McCartneyine Epistles. |
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Can we get the Archbishop of Canterbury to sign on as a moderator?
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| Quote: Hessle Roader "Can we get the Archbishop of Canterbury to sign on as a moderator?'"
Him and his successor, currently residing in York. |
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