That kind of agrees with my point, he's not been great at the start of this year and neither has the whole team!

Completely agree with that on a club perspective. However as a fan you can’t influence that, and if you gonna into every game expecting Leeds to win you’ll be angry and disappointed. We are just not at that level yet,’and very inconsistent…..

He has been poor so far this season but do not let Shabino change history as Martin was one of our best players last season

I don’t go into every game expecting us to win, I rarely go into any game expecting us to win. I think i
I should be able to go into any game expecting us to compete.

Rhyse Martins comments in Leeds Live, stating we maybe went into the game with a bit of complacency are a real concern, if this squad think they are good enough to take anyone in S/L lightly then its going to be a long season.

Pretty shocking having that attitude considering how poor we've started the season ourselves.

Its gutting anytime we get beat, but Thursdays has been especially dissapointing for me, from team selection, to performance, to attitude, just a really frustrating effort all round.

Is really poor, agree. For some reason pre-season was not treasured seriously . The no captain thing and trick kicks offs etc are frankly amateur. Maybe we need to knuckle down to basics ++. We’ll get it right , but we can’t afford to start every season half way through……. Last year was a freak….

Why is the short kick off amateur? Used judiciously it can be very effective and we've won possession on a number of occasions this season as a result. As for captain, I'm still not sure. The man who would have been captain threw in the towel and wants to leave the club four weeks into the season. Hardly a ringing endorsement of his leadership skills. Who else do you want? A lot would have said Martin, but you've said you wouldn't have extended his contract, so clearly not him. We started with a few really wobbly performances, but seeds sown in pre-season don't necessarily flower in March.

I’d appoint Smith as Captain. Said if before. Short kick off can work, but the way it was used at Wire was shambolic. Don’t get me wrong , there’s enough to be optimistic about, but do think we need to make some changes. Leeming would not have been captain either, was stepped down from that by Rohan. Agreed with that, buy thought he’d be appointing his own choice…..

Wow, some of the comments/posts on here, get a grip.

We still have a new coach with a fairly big player turn over, we where always going to start slow. I predicted we would be 6/4 after round 10. Lets see were we are in round 10-12. Then judge, just remember we were 2/8 last season and looked appalling we are not appalling this year we are massively better, not quite clicking fully yet and inconsistent and plenty of improvement to go, but once the drier warmer weather (which will suit are game better) reckon we will really start to click and start a good run into the play offs again.

Bentley banned again - No complaints really as he did hit him late and Bentley has previous but Millar did milk it for all its worth he was even laughing when they got the penalty.

Westerman fir Dangerous contact is the..highlight

Bentley - gives his all every game , but bloody brainless late hit costs him another game where we need him on the field.

England v France game depressing!! It was the most fun thing ever!!

Bit harsh on Martin.

No one came out of that game looking better than poor.
But he was good last year and excellent at saints.