And Wigan did exactly the right thing with Lam, no knee jerk, they put in a plan and it seems to be working.

Agar out? When someone who can really move us forward is available to come in, yes. Out now because we’ve looked crap the last two games, no.

But that's a different question.

Is Agar getting the best out of the players at his disposal, and have we shown progress? No.

For me, the way to go would be bringing in a highly rated assistant from the NRL, who is innovative and can move us on, who needs to use us as a stepping stone for 2/3 seasons to get a head coaching gig in the NRL, and then be nurturing an internal successor during that time who works under him.

Yes but the club seems passive, the way the situation is communicated, the language is very passive. They should be actively seeking the right replacement now. We don't know the inner workings, so maybe they are, but it really doesn't smell like it.

It’s integral to the question of Agar ‘out’ because someone has to come ‘in’

Kneejerking now will not help the team at this stage, i agree with your general point but it needs to be planned not kneejerked in.

We have twenty odd rounds left a lot can happen

But the situation we've put ourselves in requires a lengthy winning run to claw back ground lost, which we simply aren't capable of. For example, we win the next 3, but then lose the game after that, win 2, but then lose again. That's arbitrary but very representative of what we can expect. After that it's 5 wins from 10, and, approaching halfway you're looking at mid-table with that.

I rarely post on here, usually just browse the usual suspects playing message board tennis, we need rid asap.
Its not just the defeats its the manner of the defeats, clueless in attack, indisciplined and lightweight, been the same for ages, he's just not up to the job of taking Leeds where they need to be

It really doesn’t require a lengthy winning run to get into the playoffs.

Teams have had poor starts and would have said exactly the same about their team, as Ive said before look at Wigan in 2019, im sure their fans said exactly the same at the start of that year.

You’ve also got to take into account other teams that have had a good start but may come unstuck.

You say we aren’t capable of a winning streak, how do you know? The halfbacks might click, new signings perform well and who knows we might have a bit of luck with injuries. Basically predicting anything after 3 rounds is pointless, especially if you deal with absolutes like we can’t go on a winning streak, of course we can, will we? Who knows that’s the fun of dport i suppose.

Agar not ideal now imho as we seem to lack much of an attacking game plan. As others have said 3 games isn’t much and we’ve had the usual severe disruption . Think we review the after next 3 games. Is Long ready to step up if so? We don’t want to fall out with Agar as has done a good job until now, and is clearly a role for him at the club…..

Ok, I get that briscoe at centre and wacky jack wouldn't be part of Agar's ideal set up. And you might expect that our attack would be a bit stilted as a result. But it's not a case that individuals are mis-executing moves. What and where are Agar and Long's attacking plans?

I'm talking about challenging for the grand final, not just getting into the playoffs, and there is a difference.

And we may yet do that.