Certainly a damn sight quicker than Lilley at same age. In fact hes probably quicker than Lilley now.

Lockyear was definitely not slow, had a deceptive gliding style, a Seb coe style glide, infracr reckon lockyer could have been a world class middle distance runner

Sinfield was not slow either, not a side stepping quick if the mark player, but not many forwards quicker than him in his 20’s abvipuly not the quickest at halfback bet he was still quicker than wally lewis at similar ages.

Lockyer was bloody quick when he was young. He didn't slow down a lot until after he moved to stand off. I've no idea if Lilley will ever make it, but he needs a run of games in a half-decent side to see what he's capable of.

I would love to know what people see in Lilley cos i see nothing? Never saw the kid Saturday apart from 1 nice kick in 2nd half and kicking the conversions. Not singling him out as it was his 1st game and he was behind a badly beaten pack so difficult for any half but what does he bring? Hes not an organiser, not creative, is very slow and defensively poor in my eyes yet people seem to love him.

Maybe its me but what am i missing? I know the response will include people like Sinfield and Maguire but hes not in the same league as those lads.

like I said Marty he's been hit and miss. all I ask is give him 5 games. then we'll know one way or the other

He’s also barely played any games in the last 12 months hardly a recipe for finding any form. It’s a problem that exists right through from the academies with some players being held back in their development through simply not enough/any game time.

I get thats he hardly played but im asking what potential do people see in him that i cant see that if hes given a run in the team he would offer anything??

because he's had the odd really good game and someone saw enough to give him a long term deal.
let's have a look before we sign someone from outside is surely a no brainer. especially as this season's a write off anyway.

I am sure nobody at the club has written this season off yet.

Which shows how out of touch they are unfortunately. There is a very fine line between confidence and arrogance.

if Leeds can get past Leigh, get a good s/f draw then Wembley is possible. the GF? not a chance for me