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It could be worse. Andy Last could be our coach!
Agar wouldn't be my choice, but he's not likely to be going anywhere. I'm not sure who'd be willing to come over in the current climate anyway.

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Quote: Sal Paradise "I take all the points - there are some good points made.

I am not suggesting Agar should go - I am suggesting he needs better support - JJB is a novice compare him to Wellens and the levels of experience. James Webster did he not get Hull KR relegated - compare him to Richard Marshall. Chev more experienced but never run a team. Wolff is a proven coach but he has a wealth of knowledge and coaching experience to support him.

In terms of the team - maybe prudence is the correct option but if you standstill only one thing happens - your competitors go past. Leeds have been in standstill mode since 2015 and it is showing in the quality of the side and the lack of quality coming through the juniors. Look at the team last night - on 5 players that have come through the academy compared to 9 in the Saints side - when you playing the likes of Rhys Evans something is a miss!!

The team don't look fit - Lui and Hurrell are an embarrassment to the coaching/conditioning staff for professional athletes - McCelland also looked heavier than he should. Allowances can be made for lockdown but that applies to all teams.

Saints are a great side - but we shouldn't be getting beat by 50 points - their youngsters are on a different level to ours which given they are competing with Wigan for them suggests a young development process that is well invested and focused.

Last night was a bad night the first 65 minutes last week were also very poor - this should not be overlooked.'"


The players haven't looked fit since Furner. Hurrell is a big lad, but he was breathing out of his backside within 15 minutes of the game last week. It's clear all they have done is lift weights and pose on Instagram rather than concentrating on a mix of Cardio and strength training. A total embarrassment. Giving away so many high shots too, is this down to lack of fitness just tired arms swinging?

Saints however are well ahead of most teams in the league, so I don't want to Knee Jerk.

Gale started the league on fire, but he seems to be struggling at the moment. Good in some bits, poor for the majority though. Hopefully he gets back into the swing soon.

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Covid hasn't just affected the Rhinos. I knew after 15 mins we weren't getting on the scoreboard. Where were the set moves? Who were Gale & McLelland kicking to on the last tackles?

This is the perfect time to give youth a chance. You're only as strong as your weakest link, and there are far too many weak links to try and patch over cracks. Huddersfield have been competitive due to trusting youth over time, and we have loads of potential waiting in the wings.

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Quote: FearTheVee "Gale? Gave away a number of penalties, kicked poorly, completely vanished when you went three tries down. I only noticed him when he was giving away penalties or mouthing at the ref about penalties given away by his team mates.

Thought he was dreadful myself.'"

Maybe I was being over generous with Gale but at least he tried behind a well beaten pack.
We have too many average players in too many positions.
We have nobody other than possibly Hurrell who can produce the X factor required to get us out of a mess.
Equally he can drop a couple of clangers in the same game.
Saints on the other hand have strength, skill and the x factor across the park.
Even LMS looks good in that side!
Bentley once again showing what a miss he was when he signed for you instead of us.
Similar to Walmsley and what would we give for having them two in our team right now.

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When a prop is out running your centres you know you have a conditioning problem

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At the start of the season we didn't expect the team to be up near the top. Saints are easily the best team in the comp and will certainly do the same against someone else this season. What yesterday does show is what needs to happen to the team to make them challengers again and the areas we're weak in. We'll certainly win our share of games in the league but we'rerealistically a mid table team with an outside chance of pushing for the playoffs. Whilst the loss was bad, the thing that has really annoyed me is Evans on the bench. We keep hearing about Holroyd tearing it up in training and not being overrawed by reputation. We all know what Saints props can do so it w l uld have been great to have a forward take it to them. The chances are it wouldn't have changed the result much but it would have been good experience for him. We need some punch up front and coming off the bench. With no relegation, its the perfect opportunity to start bringing the future prospects through with that little bit less pressure

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We made Bentley look like Kikau though!

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In agars prematch interview when asked about Evan's chances of playing, he started to go on about his playing history and finding himself back in full time, how it's about getting a smile back on his face. Sounded like a charity case!

How many of these bargain basement signings are still to come, 'oh he's only on a few quid lets give him a go'. Too many of them make the 17.

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Why is our transition period lasting so long? I don't remember Saints or Wigan battling relegation for 3 out of 4 seasons during theirs.

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Quote: gulfcoast_highwayman "Why is our transition period lasting so long? I don't remember Saints or Wigan battling relegation for 3 out of 4 seasons during theirs.'"


We did win it in '17. We could have Warrington's transition period - 65 years.

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Quote: chapylad "Maybe I was being over generous with Gale but at least he tried behind a well beaten pack.
We have too many average players in too many positions.
We have nobody other than possibly Hurrell who can produce the X factor required to get us out of a mess.
Equally he can drop a couple of clangers in the same game.
Saints on the other hand have strength, skill and the x factor across the park.
Even LMS looks good in that side!
Bentley once again showing what a miss he was when he signed for you instead of us.
Similar to Walmsley and what would we give for having them two in our team right now.'"


Indeed. There isn’t a half in the world that would be on fire behind a demolished pack. We lacked quality out wide due to injuries and just not enough quality players in the squad and we lack quality in the middle due to lack of investment for many reasons. Covid has put our recovery back a bit in my opinion. We were looking at a top forward or two but that appears to have vanished due to financial issues

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Quote: Seth "In agars prematch interview when asked about Evan's chances of playing, he started to go on about his playing history and finding himself back in full time, how it's about getting a smile back on his face. Sounded like a charity case!

How many of these bargain basement signings are still to come, 'oh he's only on a few quid lets give him a go'. Too many of them make the 17.'"


agreed. we have some good kids coming through and getting game time which is good to see but i would like to see even more given a chance if the alternative is the likes of evans.

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Not convinced that we have a lot of players who are given a chance 'because they're only on a few quid.

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It's difficult, how do you get the culture which tells the kids they have to earn a shirt,if the current holders of the shirt aren't seen to be earning it?

If I were Holroyd I'd have been waiting outside Agars office this morning asking what I had to do to play against Wigan on Saturday...

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Bottom line is we are not a top 2 side , we have cleared out some of the dead wood in the squad but it takes time , yes we should have started the process earlier but we didn't and now have to live with that.

We had 7 players out injured that I can think of , 3 from before and 4 from last week , yes I know all 7 probably wouldn't play if everyone is fit such as for example Myler , but a team will also struggle in a salary cap sport with so many out against the top team with hardly anyone out .

We know we need a wrecking ball type prop , maybe 2 , but we also need back with lightning pace , we are too slow across the backs .

In all though it wasn't good enough , there should have been more effort , but that is why we know we still need some more players and can't keep papering over the cracks

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