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A poor performance for sure, and a poor start to the season. We all knew this season was going to be a transition season and that to 4 was the aim. Disruption in the camp staff of kick off won't have helped. Cakes for Smith to go are madness. He is clearly a long term appointment and will take time to get things right. What he's not afraid to do is make hard decisions, something that has been leaking at the club for almost a decade. We are seeing poor players identified and moved on. We will come right, we have big players to come in, and we have players yet to peak.

Saints sailed very close to 3 in a row against a side beaten by 60 last week who turned up with a similar intensity to cas. I really like Smith but I think he needs to find some balance to his philosophies on the game as he seems to want to contradict all fundamental principles, some of which will always be true due to the nature of the sport.

Im not sure on his philosophy of every game is its unique entity because momentum that comes from learning and progression is true of any skill or activity.

Dosnt help when in form players like Walters lose there place while out of shape puddings like Lisone keep theres.

It seems to me that we rely heavily on Martin and when he has a good game so do Leeds. He had a poor one against Cas and it seemed to trickle down to every department. I think Martin is more influential than most give him credit for

Don’t think that’s true. Apart from good goal kicking, not seen an awful lot from Martin since beginning last season. His defence has been woeful so far this year too…..
Personally would not have renewed his contract….

Yes, I think that's twice been shown in games against Castleford where a simple hard nosed game plan would have sufficed and delivered comfortable wins against weak or weakened sides. On balance though, he's still done great. There are some who seem to want to believe he was lucky or "rode a wave" to the GF last year. If he did, it was a wave of his own generation. I have a bias towards him because his arrival seems to have facilitated the departure of number of players who were either past their best or never quite good enough for Leeds - in my opinion. His big challenge will be to use the cap space we should have next year to bring in players who can transform the side, and then come up with a style that makes a consistent and high performing team. In the short term, I'm backing Smith and the team to come up with a win against Catalans next week.

Thought Martin was great last year. Less so this (so far) and seems to be carrying extra pounds for some reason.

I like rohan but his going against everything that is tried and trusted and trying to virtually rewrite the coaching book is starting to grate a little.

That’s my feelings, similar to Brian McDermott. It’s not Rohan’s fault that we’ve seemingly been in a transition for 8 years or so but I’m running out of patience now.

I’m beginning to think that GH got lucky with the golden generation coming though around a similar period. We need need a new direction. We should never have been in this situation to begin with.

Some interesting points here.

In the second half we made more than an error every 3 minutes. Including 2 where we did not play the ball properly.
That’s player error.
How many we would have made if we’d matched the line speed/ aggression of Cas we’ll never know.
Not wearing yourself out in defence needs you to be able to then attack with real speed and aggression. We barely moved the ball because for the main part we were in our own half getting dominated.
For mine we should aim to be more aggressive when defending in their 25/30, we let every team out of pressure too easily.

I wanted an experienced coach to come in last year but for mine we have to stick with Smith, he’s exited many players that most on here were calling for. I think last year he overachieved a bit getting to a GF. We made so many errors against FC and Cas and should have won both.

We aren’t going to get a top NRL coach and SL this year looks very competitive. For next year we need a bit of quality like Wire have recruited Dufty and Vaughan and Williams.

This year could get really bumpy like Wire last season IF he does not want to not renew many coming off contract. If it gets worse again I think we need to plough on and take it and then see what he can do with his own team in 2024.
Think we need to stay the course with him and not change coach