Says a St Helens fan. We remember what a St Helens player did to Robbie Mears. We remember what a St Helens player did to Graham Mackay.

It's just hilarious seeing all the whining from St Helens fans about their poor little babies being bullied when their recent history is full of disgusting incidents. It's funny seeing how opposed they are to punches being thrown during a game when one of their recent legends, Paul Sculthorpe, could barely manage to get through the coin toss without smacking someone in the face.

If JJB is guilty of a deliberate chicken wing tackle then he'll get banned, and he'll deserve a ban. But that isn't going to be determined by the amount of Saints fans whinging about the incident. Just because Saints fans claim that they are Saints by name, saints by nature doesn't mean we have to listen to that bul5hit.

You lot still going on about this? Amazing!


We're not complaining about the biff. We love the biff as much as any RL fan. It's the chicken wing that's the problem. As it would be to you lot if one of ours had done to one of yours what peanut head did to Jammer. Peanut head should get a ban. It's unlikely he will, but he should. There's also a bit of concern about the grapple on Eastmond, mainly because of the neck pressure, but not as much as the chicken wing.

All the rest is history. The biff is part of what makes the Leeds-Saints contests the best in the league by a country mile.

IF he's found gulity of a chicken wing then i'd expect him to be banned!!
As for Webb's grapple did you miss gilmour and flannery's grapples????
Or what about hide"n" seek champs headslam on diskin???
Like i said earlier it was a tough match and BOTH teams were at it but it seems a lot of your fans don't like it when you get it back and we are all dirty scumbags!!

Of course he did, he's a Saints fan

Well, it was clearly a chicken wing. Proper wrestling isn't supposed to put that kind of pressure on a joint. Whether he'll be found guilty is another matter.

I specifically mentioned Eastmond's neck in the hope that those who read my post would identify the reason for our concern there. Grapples are happening all over the spot and either they're stamped out or left to occur, whichever. But the concern was the way the neck went back, that is what made it stand out.


Now that statement makes [iyou[/i sound whiney!

If you say so, i look forward to our next encounter.

Me too. I always look forward to encounters with Leeds. Never a dull moment.

Graham is a prop forward FFS. If he can't handle a bit of nigle then he should go play something else.

Is this subject ever gonna go away???

Big soft puff he is.

Put him up against someone like Roy Dickinson.

Didn't St Helens introduce the 'chicken wing' into this country anyway?

Is there an earlier example than [url=http://www.therfl.co.uk/about/disciplinary_item.php?id=791Fa'asavalu's[/url in round 4 of this season?

Didn't the RFL's compliance manager describe it as a technique?

Didn't Potter have to defend the inference that St Helens teach it? (Which I accept that they probably don't)

Big Roy could get smacked all over the park and he never stopped smiling and he could dish it out just ask Les Gorley

Funniest thing ever on the night when big Roy finally snapped and bashed the hell out of Gorley at Headingley.

I remember some Widnes fans whinging about it afterwards and I reminded them of the night that Jim Mills gave a teenage Roy a torrid night he'd never forget in one of his first games for Leeds at Naughton Park.

They say what goes around comes around...

I totally agree & something young master Graham may do well to ponder on.
Compare & contrast with the blessed JP who's been taking it & giving it for the past decade.
Mind you he was 22 or 23 when he broke into the Bulls 1st team.

Personally I think Graham's a darned good prop - and having a temper isn't a bad thing for a prop unless I've been watching the wrong sport for the last 20+ years. When he learns to channel his aggression he'll be even better. Webcke at the Broncos was the best example of this - rarely if ever got involved in fisticuffs etc, but if someone got him mad he'd run the ball in like a grade 'A' loon - most often straight at whoever caused his ire.

A bit of biff's a good thing every now and then, and the fact that there's no love lost between players of the top two sides adds to the occasions when we meet IMO.

100% agreement. I for one, wouldn't want a prop that didn't behave in the way you described above.

Agreed, it can look cheap but it's legal and works. Didn't people find it funny when Sam Tomkins hurt Cunningham a few weeks ago doing the exact same thing?

I think it's a bit inaccurate to call Graham a coward though, he pretty much chased a scared Ryan Bailey around the park earlier in the season.

Should've shaked hands though - looked like a muppet by not. Cannot wait for a rematch now though (if they both get there)...Friday's game will be worth nothing if they meet in OT next month

Agreed though Brisbane was describing Webcke and certainly not Graham.

Props with tempers are good. Props with hissy fits and tantrums are bad.

Once again, agreed. Graham has the potential to be a sensational Prop, but at the moment lets himself down by letting his temper and frustration get the better of him. If he could channel those in the same way that Webcke did, it would make him an even better player.

Not tough eneough to be a sensational prop, I think to be right up there you need an air of intimidation, Graham just doesnt have that element to his game.

I'll gladly put the boot into Graham.

I've mentioned how Leeds pack did a job on him and the fact that Leeds always manage to wind him up. And also for the man with the mouth, when the fighting starts he doesnt get involved. Cherry on the cake was the refusal to shake hands. Unlike KC who was superb in that area.

I've had a few chuckles over him this weekend, but when I watched the game in full again, all the above still counts, but he still kept carting that ball up. He kept getting bashed around and was down on his knees a few times, but he still kept coming for more. Which is what i like to see.

His head went again though....again!

What a load of rubbish....

You will be embarassed when you see his season stats in what has been a poor team full of kids through injuries...

9/10 Graham keeps out of issues on the pitch and yes he does throw a hissy fit but I rather that than the behaviour of Senior, it takes a bigger man to walk away. If Graham gets involved and gets a ban Saints can wave bye bye to any hope they have this season not that I think we have much in any case, but the best he can do for his team is throw a fit rather than a punch.

Some of you really need to grow up.

Actually it was the other way around (if you are referring to the incident where Bailey took the ball from a tap and had to run all the way across the pitch, sideways to the centre spot to find where Mr Graham was doing the hiding), but feel free to perpetuate that particualar myth.

Didnt notice a significant hit on Mr Bailey from Mr Graham.

Graham didnt even meet his stare when the two were on the side lines warming up. Enough said.

Some evidence of this would be seriously needed (and also miraculous) to substantiate your statement.

I can almost hear a violin playing in the background when I'm reading that.