ward 53 tackles and 4 missed tackles
jjb 44 tackles with 0 misses

both very impressive defensive efforts

Some shocking calls in that game. Tim Roby is going to fit right in down there.

Yep, pretty much how I saw the game. A lazy performance from too many rather than out and out shoite. His conversions apart. Sinny's tactical kicking leaves a lot to be desired lately, and I think he had more brain farts last night than in the entire previous season. Our pack frightens nobody, Danny Mac is yards slower, both in attack and defence, but we have known that for a while as well, and young Ward looks like picking up JJB's mantle of penalty machine.

Our try was excellently worked, but 30 seconds of magic is a poor return for 80 minutes of fairly bland RL, which included too much of the headless chicken variety. Golding showed promise, and is well worth an outing in the future.

A meh sort of a match. No need to be cutting wrists just yet.....

Warrington deserved to win, the defensive effort was superb. They also looked highly motivated more so than recent performances.
I am not unduly worried as I don't think there is much between the top clubs. Tactically we were naive, especially on the fifth tackle, aimlessly booting the ball high up to ratchford who to his credit does not drop them.
On the plus side singleton and ward are looking the part, on the minus side our half backs are poor, we need to release our centres and wings more ,as any of our half back combinations are woefully slow in thought and action this is a major problem.
I don't think any refereeing decisions cost us the game but the shambles around the ruck by Warrington went virtually unpunished all night.
I don't relish to be defeated by any club but I have respect for the wire as a club and tony smith. Also in the wire team there is no cheap shot merchants. Unlike next weeks visitors who have cornered the market in cheap shot merchants.

I think the score flattered Leeds - there was never any point in the game where you thought Warrington would not win. Leeds definitely didn't get the rub of the green when it came to the refereeing decisions but that usually happens to the team on the back foot.

Leeds have never been a strong team attacking in the opponents 20 and that was exposed again yesterday, they need to play to their strengths of long range tries - no surprise the try originated in Leeds' own half. The back line is full of superb athletes they need to work on getting these players into more appropriate attacking situations.

Cuthbertson demonstrated why he is in SL and not in the NRL - there appears little selectivity in his offloading and his defence was exposed for Penny's try. He adds a different dimension to the attack but he needs to sharpen up his output if Leeds are to really benefit from his skills.

The half backs were terrible last night - not sure what you do to alter it?

You can see why this is Peacock's last season - he doesn't win the collision anymore and is really looking his age. As for Kylie - the less said the better, fingers crossed this is his last year.

On a positive - huge shifts from Ward, Ablett and JJB. Singleton continues to progress and Golding went OK.

Much to work on if Leeds are going to make the top 4 - especially as the back end of the season will be a struggle for older players in the squad. A win against Wigan is a must - a loss will really put the cat amongst the pigeons.

Ward didn't give away one penalty last night.

this should have been sorted in the off season sal and you know the 2 players i would have brought in from outside of the club to rectify this

sutty has to get an extended starting role in the halves and i would also be prepared to give lilley a shot in the 7 role based on last nights abject performance from our incumbent halves

For a side with a 34 year old and a 32 year old at half-back, the lack of leadership around the park was absolutely shocking.

No questioning the effort, but there are players in this Leeds side who seem to need a vocal organiser on the field to tell them what to do and where to run, and neither Sinfield nor McGuire were providing it.

Burrow did his usual trick of running up his own backside. Against well organised defences he offers nothing. Credit to Hull FC for managing to make him look like a superstar last week.

The McGuire-Sutcliffe partnership went well in pre-season. With Sinfield off the field McGuire seems much more prepared to take on a leadership role rather than sink back into his comfort zone of playing second fiddle. Time to revive it against Wigan, if Sinfield is going to play then it's off the bench to spell Aiton at dummy half.

As for the output from Peacock and Leuluai, the least said the better. JP looks like the cue is already on the rack and this is a farewell tour of SL, while Leuluai simply can't cut it at this level any more. With the vastly reduced amount of minutes both are getting, it seems the coach has come to a similar conclusion.

What happens between now and February 2016 is going to be pivotal in how the club performs over the next 5-10 years. I just hope the CEO isn't content to settle for hoping the cheap option of the Academy coughing up another "Golden Generation".

I agree but one of the halves is an untouchable and will be selected regardless of form which has ben woeful since Shaun Johnson waltzed passed him.

Lilley is a good call especially once the position in the top eight is secured - some evolution needs to happen, Sutcliffe doesn't seem to be getting a fair crack of the whip to me.

he will =/

David - both halves are untouchable irrespective of form.

When was the last time McGuire was dropped when fully fit, despite some mediocre showings over the last couple of years? You could argue that the lack of alternatives has hamstrung the coach in previous seasons. That is clearly no longer the case.

I still think it's too early for Lilley. I'd like to see how he goes in open age rugby, maybe out in Champ One on loan somewhere the defences are a bit more wise and there are old heads who will try to take him off his game. Let him get some confidence under his belt of knowing he can cut it against "grown-ups" before moving him into SL.

As I said previously, McGuire looks a better player with Sinfield off the field. Do you sacrifice the captain's goal-kicking to bring Sutcliffe into the side, particularly when one of your other kicking options is currently busier doing house calls in Burley at 3am rather than concentrating on his game?

now your trolling your own forum. :lmfao

Penalty count 7-1 in favour of the Wolves.
Only in Bentham's world.
I did refer to him as hometown when I saw he was to be the ref.
I know he wasn't the sole reason we lost but he sure didn't harm their efforts.

Hardaker would have stopped Penny's try last night. Warrington might still have scored off the back of the move of course. No quibbles over losing.

Of the 'golden triumvirate' I have always previously advocated dispensing with McGuire first but at least he can still offer the possibilities of sometimes putting in a decent killer cut out/long pass ....I have to concede I am now becoming another who must question Sinfield's automatic selection. It's hard to conceive of a leeds side without its great captain when available, but of the 3 he might be just the one that should make way for Sutcliffe next match.

We will succed to a decent level this season despite "dad's army" if only because SL standards are anything but improving. Apart from Westwood there was nobody I would covet to any large degree from Warrington's performance last night.

You do have to wonder what Mulhern couldn't do that Kylie does in his 10 minute spells and it is becoming ever more obvious that both our pensioner props should be playing their last season. It is sad to see their decline
Maybe they can both raise their games for the odd match but on a week to week basis neither shoud be first choice any more. The transition and rebuilding should start with Singleton, Delaney and Cuthbertson being the starting props includng '3rd prop' at LF.

Anyone remember Daryl Powell holding his hands up, and actually telling the coaching team that we had better options for stand off than him, and he was finding it tough in the role at the stage of his career.

Of course Harris was the other option, but still that epitomised Powell.

To be fair to Sinny, he has already told the club he plans to retire at end of 2016, hence the Hardaker plans, but maybe it is catching up quicker than he thought.

Fair point about McGuire - personally I would like to see the young players brought the first team route rather than being farmed out to clubs where their participation is begrudged at best. At least the senior players should have a vested interest in protecting and guiding them something they will not get at the South Leeds Stadium.

It never did the members of the golden generation any harm and it could be argued they were being exposed to a much higher standard than the youngsters of today.

Let's hope the wheels don't come off that plan over the next few weeks.

Connotations of a possible P60 there rather than a P51D for sure

My view on last night performance.

I believe that we lost because of Moon’s premature departure. It disrupted our attacking options, defensive pattern and over all game plan.

Golding did well for his debut but was found out of position a couple of times and he has to realise he’s not in the U19’s anymore, sometimes the pass is a much better option than trying to dance round a very organised and effective defence.

A couple of really good kicks aside, Burrow didn’t offer much in attack and I’m starting to think that we might have better a better option in Sutcliffe.

Wire’s defence was one of the best I’ve seen for a while and I doubt that may teams would have put more than a handful of points past them.

Good spot

9 out of 10, but count the heads you'll see its a TF-51D

A few thoughts:

Wire deserved it, very committed in defence. Ben Westwood was magnificent.
Bentham was not magnificent but I can live with his performance. His decision to penalise Singleton was easily understandable even if he was incorrect.
Video refs are sh_it, improve the game by dispensing with them entirely.

Ash G did fine; his physical resemblance to BJB is maybe too close for comfort though and I expect there'll be defensive frailty somewhere down the line. Hope I'm wrong.

Aiton is doing the business and needs as much game time as poss. If Burrow is to play, let him come on from the bench for either Sinfield or McGuire, whichever happens to be playing worst. Or not come on at all if both are performing.

I understand the criticism of Peacock. Don't write him off just yet - do you really think our conditioners are daft enough to have him at peak fitness this early in the season??

Singleton is a revelation. Watkins looks twice the player he did for large parts of last season and both wingers look sharp.

As many have noted, wire were a cut above last night. Fear not; in super league a good performance is usually only the precursor of a horror show. We've as good a chance as anyone of trophies this year.

Victory over Phil Clarke's bum boys next week and last night will be forgotten, another defeat though, and people will be getting flashbacks to last season and our dismal record against the big teams in the weekly rounds. Our kicking game last night was again poor, 5 out of 6 kicks in the first half claimed in the air unchallenged, unacceptable if we have any pretentions to win anything. Sinny will only be getting in the team for his place kicking and reputation alone unless he can improve, and his choice and quality of pass will pretty soon get a team mate killed, McGuire is streets ahead in that respect. We missed Achurch offensively when chasing the game, neither Ward, JJB or Delaney have his bulk or dexterity from second row, and we obviously missed Zak in attack. Wire weren't fantastic, but we're good enough and made the best of the 50/50's in their favour. Bring on the pie munchers.

I never knew there was a training version TF-51.....and I also meant P45 not P60.



Perhaps Sinfield needs to be in there learning and honing some new skills in how to outperform the opposition. He certainly needs some help from somewhere.

Might have to reevaluate that one based on today's news

On Rooney being the England captain. He's captain because he's a Man United player, not because he has any skills of captaincy. Rooney, Ferdinand and Beckham have all captained England mainly because of the huge support that MU have in the media. Rooney's the Man United captain now, but only because all the real leaders have left United.

I'd say that most of England RL accepts that Sinfield has been a truly awesome captain for Leeds Rhinos, but as an England/GB player most were luke warm and I'd say ice cold to him being captain.

Hardaker as Leeds captain in the desire to make him be more responsible??? The answer to that is a resounding no. IMO even if he's 100% guilty of a serious crime I'd still back him as a Rhinos player. But I'd back Ronnie the Rhino to be the next Rhinos captain before Hardaker.