Any less than top 4 is simply not good enough. Calling HKR and Warrington top clubs, above us is an insult to what we have achieved in the Sl era.

Anything less than competing for the 3 trophies available is failure.

I don't know what to expect anymore. We might not have the best team but if Leeds can collectively show more hunger to work hard to win every week, I'll be happy. Players need to strive to improve as individuals and as a team. Hopefully they buy-in to what Arthur wants this season.

An insult? Keep your knickers on, they are much better than we have been for the last few years. I didn't realise that we were still playing SL from 10 years ago when we were decent.

Agreed that anything less than a top 4 finish is a failure. A top 3 finish would show we are moving in the right direction.

No wonder other fans call us entitled whinos!

Entitled Whinos.

The thing is it's where a club of our size, facilities and spending power should be (top 4 as a minimum), but, it needs to be earned on and off the park and we've not earned it for too long. We eat humble pie until we get our backsides back to something like.

It will be interesting to see how the likes of Leigh and Salford do. Leigh have had to go through a rebuild and Salford look like they'll lose at least a couple of their best players.

thing is, you can't continually lose your best players every year and do well. salford will be lower mid table for me

Yeh Salford keep proving the doubters wrong, but I think they'll be bottom 4.

Top 4 - Wigan, Wire, Saints, HKR
Middle 4 - Leeds, Cats, Leigh, Hull
Bottom 4 - Salford, Hudds, Wakey, Cas

Not sure about exact positions (apart from Wigan and Cas), but that's how I see it panning out.

Swap hull with one of the bottom 4 I think.

I can't argue with any of that. Although I think Cas are favourites for bottom I am more optimistic for the future than for a few years. Anything other than Wigan winning everything will be a bonus.