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Meh! That's not saying much. We need to be looking at cut out passes to our dynamic centres and let the likes of Cam Smith just defend.
Oh yeah, and Sutcliffe was out ill when we had our best game of season at Salford. That's no coincidence.

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Quote: Trebor1 "Best game of the season for sutcliffe'"


He is a better SR than stand off, although wasn't he at 13 today?

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Quote: christopher "He is a better SR than stand off, although wasn't he at 13 today?'"


Yes ageee, for me hes a better BR. Loose his best position imo.

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Quote: Toosmooth "Meh! That's not saying much. We need to be looking at cut out passes to our dynamic centres and let the likes of Cam Smith just defend.
Oh yeah, and Sutcliffe was out ill when we had our best game of season at Salford. That's no coincidence.'"

Agree for the most part. Particularly Ferres and Smith are hanging in the attacking line instead of making a run to draw defenders off the centres.

Funnily enough when we did that today we looked dangerous and opened up Catalans defence.

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Quote: Trebor1 "Yes ageee, for me hes a better BR. Loose his best position imo.'"


I agree loose is where he should play imo.

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Quote: Charlie Sheen "42 tackles with only 2 misses, and 77 metres from Sutcliffe. Not bad, and on a far higher level than Ferres''"


You missed off his amount of carries, which is what highlighted why he is a poor selection. 15 carries for s very poor metres per carry rate, and no passes to his centre. Watkins was producing those number of tackles and no misses, but much better AVG, and he wasn’t a back rower.

That said, I agree on backrow his best position, and he is certainly better than Ferres. Although Ferres did come up with a couple of big tackles, I doubt Sutcliffe could have done.

If Agar made a point of him as a good game, then that is the problem. We should be getting far far more from our backrowers in an offensive sense, to come close to saying good game.

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Quote: Gotcha "You missed off his amount of carries, which is what highlighted why he is a poor selection. 15 carries for s very poor metres per carry rate, and no passes to his centre. Watkins was producing those number of tackles and no misses, but much better AVG, and he wasn’t a back rower.


That said, I agree on backrow his best position, and he is certainly better than Ferres. Although Ferres did come up with a couple of big tackles, I doubt Sutcliffe could have done.

If Agar made a point of him as a good game, then that is the problem. We should be getting far far more from our backrowers in an offensive sense, to come close to saying good game.'"

Next year, if Ward gets fit, Sutcliffe will be bench at best.

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Saw plenty to be positive in the game yesterday. Defensive effort was good and while I didn't think Lui set the world alight he slipped in really well and was linking up play nicely. Think he'll be a great signing. Does anyone know what our completion stats were? Felt greatly improved

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Quote: Gotcha "You missed off his amount of carries, which is what highlighted why he is a poor selection. 15 carries for s very poor metres per carry rate, and no passes to his centre. Watkins was producing those number of tackles and no misses, but much better AVG, and he wasn’t a back rower.

That said, I agree on backrow his best position, and he is certainly better than Ferres. Although Ferres did come up with a couple of big tackles, I doubt Sutcliffe could have done.

If Agar made a point of him as a good game, then that is the problem. We should be getting far far more from our backrowers in an offensive sense, to come close to saying good game.'"



I thought he was at LF yesterday?

Your point still stands though although he was far better yesterday than at 6

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The “Sutcliffe Problem” is under control finally. We tell him he’ll be playing back row and that’s it. He conditions and practises accordingly. By 2020 he’s in the mix with some talented and established back rowers and he fights for his place on merit.

Maybe their performances were due to structural changes in the team but it is interesting how several players suddenly found season-best games yesterday.

Cuthbertson is playing like a man possessed as of last 2 games, where has he been??

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Quote: KaeruJim "The “Sutcliffe Problem” is under control finally. We tell him he’ll be playing back row and that’s it. He conditions and practises accordingly. By 2020 he’s in the mix with some talented and established back rowers and he fights for his place on merit.

Maybe their performances were due to structural changes in the team but it is interesting how several players suddenly found season-best games yesterday.

Cuthbertson is playing like a man possessed as of last 2 games, where has he been??'"



Has Cuthbo been told he's playing for the last year of his contract? or has he finally got over those niggling injuries? either way he's been outstanding recently

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Quote: christopher "I thought he was at LF yesterday?

Your point still stands though although he was far better yesterday than at 6'"


He wasn't at loose forward, definitely not. He was out on the right, inside of Newman. It was quite funny when Sutcliffe looked at Newman in disgust telling him what he did wrong in that second half one, where Newman blew a 3 on 1 situation. Newman was wrong, but hopefully will learn to stop trying to step everyone all the time, however Sutcliffe had done the same things numerous times, and you just know every time he is going to take the ball in, instead of passing.

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Quote: Gotcha "He wasn't at loose forward, definitely not. He was out on the right, inside of Newman. It was quite funny when Sutcliffe looked at Newman in disgust telling him what he did wrong in that second half one, where Newman blew a 3 on 1 situation. Newman was wrong, but hopefully will learn to stop trying to step everyone all the time, however Sutcliffe had done the same things numerous times, and you just know every time he is going to take the ball in, instead of passing.'"

Absolutely - both players too greedy. Newman in particular needs to learn to play for his winger. When and if he does he’ll be dynamite.

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Quote: christopher "Has Cuthbo been told he's playing for the last year of his contract? or has he finally got over those niggling injuries? either way he's been outstanding recently'"

Like a different player.

The KR game is looking very tasty indeed isn’t it? Not much extra motivation needed by either side.

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Quote: Gotcha "He wasn't at loose forward, definitely not. He was out on the right, inside of Newman. It was quite funny when Sutcliffe looked at Newman in disgust telling him what he did wrong in that second half one, where Newman blew a 3 on 1 situation. Newman was wrong, but hopefully will learn to stop trying to step everyone all the time, however Sutcliffe had done the same things numerous times, and you just know every time he is going to take the ball in, instead of passing.'"


Newman will learn, I think it's just he is used to being able to run on his own and make something of it which he won't be able to do all the time in first grade, Agar was spot on in his presser regarding Newman and how if he can work on that side of his game he will be Leeds centre for years to come. He's surprised me how strong he is for his size.

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