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| Quote ="bewildered"i'll see you down there chief, we could get some dame edna pair and be twins, maybe we could take mr bentham and mr ganson too. also gilmore, seen as he is swinging at his own players these days. jog on xx'"
gud one mate, like it, like the ganson bit.
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| Quote ="jjb10"Who said he was no good???
I said he was a coward, gutless, and overated. Stop me if I am wrong.
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Your team are full of em mate, didn't have much respect for leeds before last night. Now i have non, a bunch of sh*thouses who get away with murder.....
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| He should have been grown up enough to shake hands with the players at the end of the game and put aside what had happened during the match like the other players all managed to do.
However I do think that some of the reactions by fans has been slightly over the top!
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| Quote ="DAN THE SAINT"gud one mate, like it, like the ganson bit.'"
cheers, spent ages thinking it up as well. im dead clever me snake
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| Not shaking hand with the players is very disrespectful and complaining to the officials in the tunnel is out of order too. Although isn’t the first person to do this, nor will he be the last.
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| Quote ="tvoc"[url=http://www.therfl.co.uk/about/disciplinary_item.php?id=791Maurie Fa'asavalu[/url although St Helens believe it was accidental.'"
interesting read.
seems very much like last nights incident;
defender clamped the ball and was trying to roll the attacker onto his back.
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| i would like to see young Mister Graham on the super league show .
has he ever been on?
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| Quote ="lionarmour87"i would like to see young Mister Graham on the super league show .
has he ever been on?'"
They wouldnt be able to film it in Leeds,theyed have to do it at the Blue Peter studio in London,you know the one,with the huge double doors to let in novelty program items such as the Brighouse and Rastrick band. 
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| Quote ="Vic Mackey"Genuine Question...
Is Graham's apparent hatred of Leeds now making him a less effective player against us than other teams?
The red mist seems to descend on him 5 mins before kick-off now (and I don't think his gloating after the try did his team any favours in last years GF)'"
I think it'll make him less effective against many teams.....as its been seen in all its glory its not hard to get him off his game.......a little late one here, a stiff arm there, and you've got a ginger freak out on your hands.....
incidently the Word $hithouse has been used on several occasions on this thread by saints fans, but that word always reminds me of that clip on you tube When Andy Farrel having seen cheap shot Dom Fauinati throwing punches, goes mental on the whole saints team and Wants as much of Big dom as possible and in clear view of the TV cameras he mouths to Him "Ey you yer f kin $hit oose." its still one of you tubes finest
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| Quote ="the flying biscuit"I think it'll make him less effective against many teams.....as its been seen in all its glory its not hard to get him off his game.......a little late one here, a stiff arm there, and you've got a ginger freak out on your hands.....
incidently the Word $hithouse has been used on several occasions on this thread by saints fans, but that word always reminds me of that clip on you tube When Andy Farrel having seen cheap shot Dom Fauinati throwing punches, goes mental on the whole saints team and Wants as much of Big dom as possible and in clear view of the TV cameras he mouths to Him "Ey you yer f kin $hit oose." its still one of you tubes finest
great stuff....'"
I always thought that was aimed at Sculthorpe?
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| Quote ="lionarmour87"i would like to see young Mister Graham on the super league show .
has he ever been on?'"
Gration's pullover and Graham's hair? You'd need sunglasses to watch it
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| Quote ="jjb10"Who said he was no good???
I said he was a coward, gutless, bottle boy, ginger honey monster and overated. Stop me if I am wrong.
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Coward? Gutless? Have a word with yourself, anyone who plays Rugby League certainly cant be described using them two words.
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| What I noticed last night was the amount of times he chucks the ball away when he doesn't want it.
Also, the amount of third man tackles he does.
Not really many of steel behaviour by Mr Graham!
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| Quote ="Austin 3:16"I always thought that was aimed at Sculthorpe?'"
Same here, sure it was Sculthorpe...superb stuff no matter who he was shouting at 
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| On the question of JJB's tackle and Graham's reaction, irrespective of whether it was a 'Storm-esque' chicken-wing or just an attempt to turtle the player (I prefer to think it was the latter, but I'm a Leeds fan and so possessed of those blue and amber specs  ), surely Saints fans would rather see him get up and crack someone or, at the very least, get 'stuck in'.
Whatever JJB and, indeed, any Leeds player may have done (no more or less than anyone else IMO), are Saints players really proud of their number who chase the ref, constantly whine and, in the case of Graham, appear to 'make a meal' of their injury to see a penalty etc.
I'd have some sympathy for Potter, but he isn't going to be taken seriously whilst his own players do that which he complains about (and as TVOC has pointed out, JJB ain't the first to face such an allegation......glasshouses etc etc).
Lets concentrate on a great game (Long's cheeky out of the hand move in the second half was class, see not that biased) and a great advert for the tv audience......oh and WE WON!!!!!
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| Quote ="(Broken) Time Bandit"surely Saints fans would rather see him get up and crack someone or, at the very least, get 'stuck in'. '"
Some do, some don't. I don't. I'd rather see us play a cracking game of RL. Sure, most of us enjoy a bit of biff but neither your fans nor mine enjoy an illegal tackle on one of our extremely good players. Most of us think he should payback in ways other than fists as all that gets us is the sin bin (retaliation is usually punished more harshly than aggression). He has to lock down his reactions does Graham and so they leak out in other ways. But should we meet again before this year's war is ended, I'm sure he'll give his reply at some point in the match.
Our only real whiner is Wellens and we do all wish he'd shut up, frankly.
Whatever any of you may say to the contrary, Jammer did not play up his injury. He is genuinely injured and is going for a scan.
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| Quote ="SaintsFan"Some do, some don't. I don't. I'd rather see us play a cracking game of RL. Sure, most of us enjoy a bit of biff but neither your fans nor mine enjoy an illegal tackle on one of our extremely good players. Most of us think he should payback in ways other than fists as all that gets us is the sin bin (retaliation is usually punished more harshly than aggression). He has to lock down his reactions does Graham and so they leak out in other ways. But should we meet again before this year's war is ended, I'm sure he'll give his reply at some point in the match.
Our only real whiner is Wellens and we do all wish he'd shut up, frankly.
Whatever any of you may say to the contrary, Jammer did not play up his injury. He is genuinely injured and is going for a scan.'"
Writhing around squawking on the deck and then jumping up to carry on when he didn't get a penalty suggests otherwise though!!
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| Quote ="rhinoms"Writhing around squawking on the deck and then jumping up to carry on when he didn't get a penalty suggests otherwise though!!'"
Well, to silly fans from other clubs, yes. However, he was clearly in pain, as you would be if that kind of pressure was being applied to your shoulder, but the pain relieved when the pressure was stopped. Makes sense to me. If I decided to press hard on a joint it would hurt. Stop pressing, it stops hurting. I really don't see what there is to dispute here. 
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| Quote ="SaintsFan"Well, to silly fans from other clubs, yes. However, he was clearly in pain, as you would be if that kind of pressure was being applied to your shoulder, but the pain relieved when the pressure was stopped. Makes sense to me. If I decided to press hard on a joint it would hurt. Stop pressing, it stops hurting. I really don't see what there is to dispute here.
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No dispute just stating what happend.
Was he or was he not writhing around like ronaldo and then jumped up when he didn't get a penalty????
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| just been watching the game back and one moment of dirty saints play that no one has mentioned, well saints fans will deny it happened. on 75 minutes when the fight between smith and gilmore kicks off JJB pulls Graham away from the fight and they move five meters away. Graham and JJB start to break away from one another then from the right hand corner Wilkin comes steaming and and slams into the back of JJB for no reason. again it looks to me like big hard wilkin does people from behind. classy guy
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| i will add to the above JJB dragged graham away after graham swung a punch in a scuffle that had nothing to do with him although when Wilkin pushed JJB hard from behind JJB lurched forward into graham connecting head to head and Graham went down
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| Cunningham had no complaints at the end. The better team won.
I don't think JJB did chicking wing intenstionally, it was a leeds tactic to do everything poss to get the player on their back -more so than normal.
Great game, good bit of biff. can't wait for the re match.
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| Quote ="bewildered"i will add to the above JJB dragged graham away after graham swung a punch in a scuffle that had nothing to do with him although when Wilkin pushed JJB hard from behind JJB lurched forward into graham connecting head to head and Graham went down'"
AFter 80 minutes of tough RL, the last thing you want to see coming towards you is a forehead like JJBs
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| Quote ="leicester_rhino"AFter 80 minutes of tough RL, the last thing you want to see coming towards you is a forehead like JJBs'"
thats what i was thinking. would explain the bloody nose graham had at the end. christ JJs head could stop a bus
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| I might be wrong but having watched the replay was Graham telling his fellow Saints players not to shake hands at the hooter?
Silly boy.....
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