Yet another very competent performance from our new number 1 tonight..

.. But to see him celebrating at the final hooter, just on his own in the centre of the pitch, was great - what a show of passion and commitment he clearly has for the club.

I'm not doubting other players don't have the same but sometimes it's nice to be reminded the players feel it too.

Ferres' weight alone is quite considerable these days, he would've injured Gildart with or without Delaney's help.

From an outsider point of view can see this point. He isn't strong enough to make regular line breaks and doesn't make up for it being an extra link with hands. Personally think you would be better with surcliffe at full back although he looks to be a centre all over to my untrained eyes

Gildart made it worse with his leg drive forcing himself forward to gain extra yards in contact. I think Ferres new what he was doing but the contribution from others including Gildart made it worse.

It's a tough physical sport, niggle is a part of the game. $hit happens.

Wigan are without peer the number one advocates of the niggle and bullying and rough housing in the whole comp.

Wigan fans crying foul is just very amusing tonight! But not unexpected.

He was a typical modern full back, he played a fair bit in the halves. He has great attacking skills, but it seems we don't use our full back in the same way other teams do.

We only needed a very average performance to beat a depleted Wigan team tonight. Considering we had a full team, and they were missing 6/7 first teamers , plus losing the centre in the second half , and yet after 67 minutes , we only had a 2 point lead - we have a long way to go.
Our pack could not get on top - as everybody has said , the picking of only 3 props was brainless as was Ferres - a terrible tackle and he deserves the 2/4 match ban that he will get.
No doubting Abbo , Watkins & Moon were good , but we are making so many unforced errors, and how long before every team cottons on to the fact that if you kick to Briscoe all night , you will have success - he is an accident waiting to happen - see Wigan`s last try.

He's a great character, and it's refreshing to see a player who doesn't 5hit himself in front of the camera.

Was very entertaining at the analysis screen post match with Jon Wells - not a lot of analysis which made a nice change.

Good one liner about getting under the sticks so he can kick the conversion.

i miust have seen a different game to you then, seemed a lot of quick ptb from us in the second half to me

ill have to watch it back but seemed like Watkins could have had another try (did it come off his knees or hands?), and we gifted then 6 points in the second half - score line could have easily been bigger winning margin for us and that with all the errors we made.

and also i wouldnt say we had a full team tonight, since Galloway, Singleton and Ward would all probably be in when fit

decent win, even if we made harder work of it than we should have

Decent performance from you lot tonight, I think you will be there abouts come the end of the season. Barring the castleford game I think you look quite solid, but your possibly missing a star player to win silverware.



So basically what your saying is Gildart injured himself by trying to gain yards. I might be blinkered but I can't get my head around that.

You mean their last try that came from us passing around and had nothing to do with a Wigan kick???

Yes I'm totally saying it's all Gildarts fault!



I'm not saying that at all numpty. Read my post in full instead of cherry picking one sentence. Galdart play a part in it. As did the lads helping Ferres in the tackle. Ferres new what he was doing.

But in terms of crusher tackles I've seen a lot worse.

Wigan have consistently being the most grubby team for the best part of the last 10 years so what go around come around. Wane has track record of his players with crushers, cannonballs and chicken wings. Something he kept from the Madge legacy.

He is perfectly capable, but some players play different roles, it's what the coach wants. My lad plays exactly the same sort of role as Golding also from fullback. The coaches want him roaming and priority of support, and ready for breaks, and quick in at the play the ball when needed. It doesn't mean they can't do the other things, it is just the role they are used for in the team.

Golding's great strengths as a player are his running and passing skills which he already showed two years ago which I commented on at the time. He is a natural footballer IMO. What he has done to his great credit is work on his defence so that he is now is getting accolades from all around SL. If you watch his off the ball running he is more often not far from the ball in attack and backs up well. Our lack of an organiser at 6 has meant he has not been used to the best of his abilities yet. There have been many occasions when Sutton chose to dummy and go himself when a pass would have put others into space.

So be patient and you will see Golding develop into a star player, remember he is only 20 and is filling one of the positions that most expose a player.

Golding is an elusive runner who will make breaks with footwork rather than strength and his attacking skills have been held back because of our lack of an organiser at 6. He has been backing up but not getting the pass that would have seen him break into space. Remember he is only 20.

Wish people would stop going on about age, it means absolutely nothing. You are right on the other points though, and you only have to look around the league to see he is hardly the smallest of the fullbacks. I would say he is stronger than O'Brian for example at Salford. I have no concerns on his strength.

It must do, surely? No-one's saying that you can't be a top level FB at 20, but isn't the point that people developed at different rates and at 20 he has a number of years to improve, so we possibly shouldn't make final decisions on ability/quality etc.quite yet?

It is fair to mention age when judging youngsters as they lack senior level experience and often physical maturity so their performances have every chance of improving.

Overall very happy with the deserved win & i thought we played some good attacking RL at times.
I do however think we made far too many unforced errors that could have bitten back harder & as good as Williams is im not a fan of our D stood there shaking like sh*×#*ng dogs watching him dance through twice.
The Ferres "tackle" imo deserves a 2 game ban there's no doubt Gildart is in an awkward position but the tackler still has a duty of care.
To the whinging pie fans did you all miss Tompkins chicken wing attempt on Cuthbo in the first half or your teams weekly collective sh*#housing?
Wrt individuals Ablett Moon & Watkins were my top 3 & whilst Burrow offered a running threat his passing is repeatedly getting our lads smashed when it can be avoided.
Delaney is half the player he used to be after 2 runs & 3 tackles he's blowing out of his arris & i still dont get the obsession with playing Fwds until they cant walk.
Plenty to build on & a great response after Cas away by all involved but improvement needed if we are to challenge for the top4 & any Silverware.

You say he knew what he was doing, which is obvious, but then you try and justify it by saying Wigan have made bad tackles in the past.
Would you give the same response if he'd done it to Atkins, Bosc, Brough, Chase, Currie etc?
Don't make this a Leeds/Wigan thing. How would you feel if it was your son, or brother he did it to?
Unnecessary, intentional and extremely dangerous.

I've only seen the ferres tackle live and i have to say it didn't look the worse tackle I've ever seen. When a player comes in backwards to the tackle and as the tackler you are trying to tackle the player and stop the ball getting offloaded it's not unexpectedxpected that a player will come under pressure. Add onto that two more players joing the tackle to add weight which is a perfectly common occurrence then things will happen. I'm unclear what ferres was really meant to do.

It also struck me that it was the verbals after that got the ref involved, not the tackle at the time. Then the linesman came on.

Feel free to correct me those that have studied the replays but i felt ferres was hard done by.

Ablett was called offside leading up to one of Williams' trys and instead of conceding the penalty he seemed to avoid getting involved in the play, so close to the line it was a poor decision.

Of course they will improve, but that doesn't stop them being perfectly capable now. Your use of the context was that it was an issue that would improve, there isn't an issue. Had he made a choice that cost a game, a wrong choice, then it would be fair to say he will learn from that as he gets older through experience. But that wasn't the case, the age means nothing.

We often wonder why we are so far behind the NRL, and the constant use of a players age as some form of negative is a reason for that. They pay no attention to age, and only ability. The average age of their sides over there puts us to shame.

I'm not justifying it at all! I'm saying stop whining! As a fan base don't be hypocrites.

I don't understand why nobody is including Golding in the list of our top players.
He defused every high kick - I don't think he dropped a kick all night.
He stopped a certain try with his tackle on Gregson (?)
He also chased back to cut down Escare - no slouch - arguably stopping another try.
Yet all I read about him is his failure to contribute in attack.
Plus he only missed one 2 point kick all evening.
Not a bad game for a rookie in his first full season as the last line of defence.
I too have been critical of him when running the ball out of defence & being pushed back over the line. But how many times did Briscoe or even Hall break a tackle bringing the ball out early in the tackle count & Hall, for all his size & power, was pushed back over the line at one point to concede a goal-line drop out.