Caddick Group Plc are still the parent owners of the rhinos on companies house and Paul Caddick is listed as a director. Or do you mean Caddick personally being involved?

I mean Caddick Personally.

Fair enough.

Not for the first time I have to ask - what on earth are you talking about?

No disrespect, but let’s be honest, it’s pointless explaining anything to you. The club would need to announce it first.

No please, go on. Tell us what it is you think you know about the ownership and management structures of YC. Because based on what you posted above, it's wrong.

My understanding is that Hetherington got spooked by the figures. When Leeds Tykes were in the Premiership and looking to cement their stature as a club, it was explained to both Caddick and Hetherington that for the money that they were paying their International RL players they wouldn't get anyone good enough to compete in the Premiership. If they wanted to compete they had to pay the cash.

Caddick got this and was happy to go go for it, Hetherington flat refused to pay middle of the road Union players twice what World Class League players were on.
For me allowing Hetherington to have his way killed Carnegie as a club. It takes time, had Caddick persisted the Union side would be a serious brand. As it is it is failing.

The problem was there didn't seem to be an apetite for PL RU in Leeds and Hetherington was probably correct in identifying its unsustainability with a big squad on big money. It seems all top RU clubs need benefactors with very deep pockets. Its one thing understanding the need quite another feeding that need with your own money.

And Caddick came out of it as a result, as he wasn't prepared to continue the way Hetherington wanted it. As you said, knew exactly what would happen.

If we take Leicester Tigers in about 1999 they were getting 1700 odd fans, by 2009 that figure was 17000 and recently they had a gate of 27000. A twenty year business plan is not unusual.

The success of the 2004 to 2014 Rhinos with adequate development would (IMHO) have translated the massive interest in West Yorkshire amateur Rugby Union into interest in a pro club. But as it happened Caddick admitted that owning a Union club was a hobby.

I'm sad because there are now no realistic pathways for the many hundreds of lads who play amateur Union to make a living from the game in West Yorkshire.

That's not right - throughout the 1990s Leeds, Wigan and Leicester were all broadly similarly supported and who was the best supported 'rugby' club was a matter of some conjecture.

In the 98/99 season Leicester had an average crowd of just over 12,000.

Leeds was just under 14,000.
Wigan’s was 9,500.

The point is Leicester were never one of the 'one man and his dog' RU teams like some were. They've pulled big crowds as long as I can remember. Some of the others, particularly the London clubs (Sale as well I'd guess) were more of that ilk.

Correct, they came and went (at the RL clubs at least, I don't know how much Leicester's crowds varied other than that they were similar). In the early '90s Wigan were larger than Leeds.

CVA proposed www.thebusinessdesk.com/yorkshir ... rugby-club

CVA proposed www.thebusinessdesk.com/yorkshir ... rugby-club

Maybe a branch of Top Shop or Dorothy Perkins at HQ may be worth considering?

You could almost say the same about any club in any sport. Look at the crowds Bradford used to get after their successful spell regularly winning trophies. The problem is only a very small minority of clubs can be regularly successful on the field, so basing your business on that happening will fail for most.

Imagine where you work going bust, you being made redundant yet still having a mortgage to pay and kids to clothe and feed.

As much as League fans scoff at Union - lets not forget that at the end of the days its sport and there are staff and players who have very uncertain futures.

Was very interesting to find out that Leeds Rhinos actually loaned Yorkshire Carnegie 403k preciously. Under the CVA we will only get £60k back (15p to the £)

Here's the detail on that - https://www.totalrl.com/forums/index.ph ... oing-bust/

Here's the detail on that - https://www.totalrl.com/forums/index.ph ... oing-bust/

I'm not bigoted but I do avoid RU most of the time on TV ,newspapers and never go on Cross code when I visit that forum

https://www.yorkshireeveningpost.co.uk/ ... ch-1336503 mmm seem to think we did plenty to help the union side even made a loss after we pumped money into them

https://www.yorkshireeveningpost.co.uk/ ... ch-1336503 mmm seem to think we did plenty to help the union side even made a loss after we pumped money into them

So we hired someone under GREAT fanfare who couldn't do the job we hired him to do?

"Leeds Carnegie’s executive chairman tasked with, among other things, building relationships with businesses, sponsors and clubs across the county"
Who, also had "been the driving force behind the controversial name change to Yorkshire Carnegie" that went down like a cup of cold sick.

He's partly right that the Yawnion should have had there own marketing dept, I mean we only have one of the best marketing depts / corporate contact lists for the RL so I mean that 20% of staff time would be used to go after these delicate, unique kick and clappers non?

He's failed, he's failed big and like anyone in that position he's shifting blame onto what he see's as the "inferior code" which will be lapped up by the sycophants in the media.

The whinging Turd also forgetsto mention the 500k theRhinos put in only to get 45k back when they folded.

I'm quite liberal,but I have to say I couldn't care less about Rugby Union . People who follow both good luck to you ,but me ? I didnt watch one minute of The " Ragby " world cup . The fact that they had the arrogance to call it Rugby wc makes me despise it all the more