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| Quote: Gotcha "Hetherington overseeing another fine mess. He should have took the money when Caddick had the buyer for the whole operation. It was good investment from what I understood. Instead he said he could do it his way, and had to agree to buy out Caddick himself. Look where both operations are without Caddicks involvement.'"
Caddick Group Plc are still the parent owners of the rhinos on companies house and Paul Caddick is listed as a director. Or do you mean Caddick personally being involved?
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| Quote: LeedsTiger "Caddick Group Plc are still the parent owners of the rhinos on companies house and Paul Caddick is listed as a director. Or do you mean Caddick personally being involved?'"
I mean Caddick Personally.
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| Quote: Gotcha "I mean Caddick Personally.'"
Fair enough. ![Thumbs up icon_thumb.gif](images/smilies//icon_thumb.gif)
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| Quote: Gotcha "Hetherington overseeing another fine mess. He should have took the money when Caddick had the buyer for the whole operation. It was good investment from what I understood. Instead he said he could do it his way, and had to agree to buy out Caddick himself. Look where both operations are without Caddicks involvement.'" Not for the first time I have to ask - what on earth are you talking about?
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| Quote: The Ghost of '99 "Not for the first time I have to ask - what on earth are you talking about?'"
No disrespect, but let’s be honest, it’s pointless explaining anything to you. The club would need to announce it first.
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| Quote: Gotcha "No disrespect, but let’s be honest, it’s pointless explaining anything to you. The club would need to announce it first.'"
No please, go on. Tell us what it is you think you know about the ownership and management structures of YC. Because based on what you posted above, it's wrong.
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6553.gif [b:1e1swnry]Fat Boy wrote:[/b:1e1swnry] Bradford are now officially the RFL's biatches.
[b:1e1swnry]Seventies red wrote:[/b:1e1swnry] Whats a biatch?.
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| My understanding is that Hetherington got spooked by the figures. When Leeds Tykes were in the Premiership and looking to cement their stature as a club, it was explained to both Caddick and Hetherington that for the money that they were paying their International RL players they wouldn't get anyone good enough to compete in the Premiership. If they wanted to compete they had to pay the cash.
Caddick got this and was happy to go go for it, Hetherington flat refused to pay middle of the road Union players twice what World Class League players were on.
For me allowing Hetherington to have his way killed Carnegie as a club. It takes time, had Caddick persisted the Union side would be a serious brand. As it is it is failing.
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| Quote: loinertillidie "My understanding is that Hetherington got spooked by the figures. When Leeds Tykes were in the Premiership and looking to cement their stature as a club, it was explained to both Caddick and Hetherington that for the money that they were paying their International RL players they wouldn't get anyone good enough to compete in the Premiership. If they wanted to compete they had to pay the cash.
Caddick got this and was happy to go go for it, Hetherington flat refused to pay middle of the road Union players twice what World Class League players were on.
For me allowing Hetherington to have his way killed Carnegie as a club. It takes time, had Caddick persisted the Union side would be a serious brand. As it is it is failing.'"
The problem was there didn't seem to be an apetite for PL RU in Leeds and Hetherington was probably correct in identifying its unsustainability with a big squad on big money. It seems all top RU clubs need benefactors with very deep pockets. Its one thing understanding the need quite another feeding that need with your own money.
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| Quote: loinertillidie "My understanding is that Hetherington got spooked by the figures. When Leeds Tykes were in the Premiership and looking to cement their stature as a club, it was explained to both Caddick and Hetherington that for the money that they were paying their International RL players they wouldn't get anyone good enough to compete in the Premiership. If they wanted to compete they had to pay the cash.
Caddick got this and was happy to go go for it, Hetherington flat refused to pay middle of the road Union players twice what World Class League players were on.
For me allowing Hetherington to have his way killed Carnegie as a club. It takes time, had Caddick persisted the Union side would be a serious brand. As it is it is failing.'"
And Caddick came out of it as a result, as he wasn't prepared to continue the way Hetherington wanted it. As you said, knew exactly what would happen.
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6553.gif [b:1e1swnry]Fat Boy wrote:[/b:1e1swnry] Bradford are now officially the RFL's biatches.
[b:1e1swnry]Seventies red wrote:[/b:1e1swnry] Whats a biatch?.
[b:1e1swnry]gulfcoast_highwayman wrote:[/b:1e1swnry] They wear red and white and cry a lot in October.:6553.gif |
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| Quote: Sal Paradise "The problem was there didn't seem to be an apetite for PL RU in Leeds and Hetherington was probably correct in identifying its unsustainability with a big squad on big money. It seems all top RU clubs need benefactors with very deep pockets. Its one thing understanding the need quite another feeding that need with your own money.'"
If we take Leicester Tigers in about 1999 they were getting 1700 odd fans, by 2009 that figure was 17000 and recently they had a gate of 27000. A twenty year business plan is not unusual.
The success of the 2004 to 2014 Rhinos with adequate development would (IMHO) have translated the massive interest in West Yorkshire amateur Rugby Union into interest in a pro club. But as it happened Caddick admitted that owning a Union club was a hobby.
I'm sad because there are now no realistic pathways for the many hundreds of lads who play amateur Union to make a living from the game in West Yorkshire.
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| Quote: loinertillidie "If we take Leicester Tigers in about 1999 they were getting 1700 odd fans,
'" That's not right - throughout the 1990s Leeds, Wigan and Leicester were all broadly similarly supported and who was the best supported 'rugby' club was a matter of some conjecture.
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| Quote: The Ghost of '99 "That's not right - throughout the 1990s Leeds, Wigan and Leicester were all broadly similarly supported and who was the best supported 'rugby' club was a matter of some conjecture.'"
In the 98/99 season Leicester had an average crowd of just over 12,000.
Leeds was just under 14,000.
Wigan’s was 9,500.
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| The point is Leicester were never one of the 'one man and his dog' RU teams like some were. They've pulled big crowds as long as I can remember. Some of the others, particularly the London clubs (Sale as well I'd guess) were more of that ilk.
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| Quote: BrisbaneRhino "The point is Leicester were never one of the 'one man and his dog' RU teams like some were. They've pulled big crowds as long as I can remember. Some of the others, particularly the London clubs (Sale as well I'd guess) were more of that ilk.'"
Correct, they came and went (at the RL clubs at least, I don't know how much Leicester's crowds varied other than that they were similar). In the early '90s Wigan were larger than Leeds.
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