Love the way other posters like to speak on my behalf

(It'd be every 1 year)

I've been racking my brain to think of top-class 6s or 13s who've gone on into their mid-thirties, and can only think of Darren Lockyer (34) and Ellery Hanley (35). The former has been the most outstanding player of the last 20 years, and the latter the most outstanding of the previous 20, so they can count as exceptions.

*Everyone* else, from Lewis to Daley to Fittler to Sculthorpe to Schofield to Edwards to Johns, was done by the time they were 32.

Both were terrible tonight. All of our forwards bar JJB were dominated in every collision. Peacock looks completely shot. If he is to play for England I hope he doesn't back up. Can Singleton or Smith offer any less than our pack in the moment?

As for Sinfield that was a horror show but you have to look at the two coaching strategies. Smith ran Atkins at Sinfield at every opportunity and he had a mare. Briers on the other hand was unmolested almost the entire game and ran the show. Remember the days we would run Senior at him all game? We did it once with the workmanlike Delaney and got some joy but it's not all about getting the tries. If halves are defending in that channel it's to keep them fresh. So you go at them hard and often to negate that.

One team did that, the other didn't.

If McDermott plays Sinfield in the centres in defence next game it will be a very alarming indication that McDermott can not recognize one of the things that is wrong and fixing it..

I think Peacock could do a good job off the bench, doing just 30 mins to rest starting props and keep teammates on their toes with his vocal leadership just before and after half-time. We just need some starting props now to implement that idea.

Both had a bad game last night. Get over it - the 2 legends and will play much better than that this season, they were just off their game last night (it does happen). I think they just need to be given a bit more slack. Blaming Peacock and Sinny is not the answer. Agree with starting Peacock on the bench though.

Aren't both high earners on longish term contracts? Unless another club would be prepared to take them on, you will have to find a way of accommodating them. They've both had great careers, but look as though time is catching up with them now.

It's easy to pick out JP and Sinny because they're our big game players, but throughout the team there are deficiencies which are hard to put down to 'being past it'. We are an ageing team, and a team who has played virtually every week for the last 3 years, throw into that internationals and fatigue must be setting in. JP is still a leader but needs to be spelled/rotated/rested more. He does big stints and is losing his impact. Sinny should be moved back into the pack (as we've been calling for for ages). But McD should be picking up on these things if we are. There's things that are obvious to all watching that he doesn't seem to see and won't change. Is it stubbornness or are we just blinkered? We do need to freshen things up, but when you can't go out buy/sign people, it's down to the coach to do that with training and tactics.

Genuinely surprised to see our pack knock Peacock around so easily. Is he not fully fit or is that indicative of how he is now playing?

I thought Peacock looked tired and Sinfield didn't have the best of days. I thought he seemed to be 'over-trying'

As for a couple of your other 'internationals' namely Ablett (the serial whinger) and Buchanan they were non-existent. The Exiles will be laughing there socks off next week and also very glad that Benny Westwood will be sat watching.

I am a fan of ablett but agree thought he was poor yesterday. I thought stevie ward looked good,

It does seem barmy that Ablett is in instead of Atkkins at centre.....and Westwood's sitting on the sidelines is baffling.

I said elsewhere Sinfield is guilty of trying too hard at times, but with so few options elsewhere it is understandable. The main problem is he is too slow to be at SO and for defending out wide. Even Briers looked like a young kid in comparison last night.

Peacock is knackered...again mainly due to over-use. These days he should be used sparingly as the impact player off the bench IMO. Griffin should start and we do have young lads chomping at the bit/out on loan with Wakefield and Halifax.

Sinfield and Peacock look physically shattered and in need of a couple of weeks rest. Flogging them for long spells is not helping either the players or the team. When you are out of juice, then you can't play your way back into form. I'd look at resting them both for a while, make JJB interim captain for a couple of weeks whilst Sinny and JP recharge their batteries, and see if that helps them and us for later in the year. We will make the 8 without doubt and need as many fit and fresh bodies available as possible as we will have one hell of a task to get to Old Trafford again this year.

I'm sure there was a feeling of helplessness amongst the players and the fans to see our trojan horse Peacock getting rag-dolled by the Wire forwards last night. For so many years Peacock has been our talisman when the going gets tough but now it's someonelses time. Player recruitment should have dictated that Peacock was doing less gametime but quality gametime. He shouldn't have to be doing such stints week in week out.

Sadly, age and injuries have caught up with our old Warhorse, and if we are to milk the last drops out of his playing career, then it must be as an impact prop off the bench.

Sinny, on the other hand is far from done. We simply have to play him more intelligently. Having him defending out wide is doing no one any favours, lest of all the lad. The amount of tries being shipped in on that side is affecting his confidence, and having a detrimental effect to his passing and kicking game.

I actually saw some positive signs last night. Little Rob looked happier and a lot livelier, and it was noticable that he was the guy chelping at other players and organising the defensive line.
Delaney stepped up to the mark and earned his wages.....Hardaker looked solid under the high ball at fullback, and on a dry pitch offers the prospect of an exciting attacking option.

The general second half response showed good team spirit, and whilst there is a hell of a lot to work on, I think there's a faint light showing away back there in the darkness.

Felt sorry for jp last night he tried his best but kept getting smashed as did the rest of our pack i think we were too flat no one steaming on to ball . how many times did our forwards get driven back 10 yards ? also ptb too slow whats happened to lunt ? burrow helped speed the ptb up but then just ran at their forwards and bounced off . these are not player issues but coaching ones totally clueless get Anderson in and play a few of the kids better to get beat whilst buiding for the future than same old tripe every week .