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| Quote: G1 "Quote: G1 "If the CEO is genuinely asking whether this team has 'run it's course' then I wouldn't be looking forward to the appraisal that is awaiting the person who is responsible for contracting them to 2013 and beyond (Bailey apart?)
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Ward in the main showed last night that he has a spark that is needed at half-back and desperately lacking at pesent. Sinfield showed he can no longer be hidden defensively wide on the right. It's counter-productive in any case as he's a capable defender and organiser around the middle.
Seems to me there is a blindingly obvious way to address both these issues even if it means going back on earlier comments and justifications laid out by the club skipper and/or club coach.'" I agree on all counts. There are things that are easily capable of being fixed.
Ward looks ready. It's time to show some faith in him. It's time to put Burrow at 7 and it's time for Sinfield to defend where a 13 would normally defend.
These are not the only issues but they would be a damn good start.'"
I agree with the idea of your post, if not the actual implementation. I think there are lots of small things which are currently wrong, such as
Puzzling coach tactics
Players playing in positions not suited to them
Players playing an unsuitable amount of game time
Lack of attacking structure
Lack of defensive structure
A small improvement in some of them will see a dramatic improvement. Wholesale changes are not required, but there does need to be some changes
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| if sinny can't play/can't be accommodated at LF, would Hooker be a good place to play him? Produced his best form for england playing at 9, and, as I recall, had a spell there during both 2007 and 2008 when Diskin was needing spelling.
The big question now is-whither McGuire? If Burrow returns to starting scrum-half, and Ward at starting stand-off, then Danny doesn't seem to have a place in the side. Given his loss of pace, his natural game no longer works at the very top level, though he is nearly our only player currently running good support lines.
Moving Sinfield would obviate the need for signing Lunt, and give McShane a chance to rotate the first choice berth next year, as well as taking the pressure off kev to play the full 80. This would, however, require a new captain, or at least vice captain, ready and able to take over. My money's on Burrow.
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| When Webb goes then the way we attack will need a significant revamp unless you can get a similar player to Webb. Hardaker or BJB will be Slater type FB's where they come into the line and run through gaps as neither have a passing game.
That got me thinking about a replacement given that you cannot teach old dogs new tricks - what about Burrow as FB? He is a destructive runner at the line and can pass as well as most in the team giving him a more than one string to his bow.
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| Quote: Sal Paradise "When Webb goes then the way we attack will need a significant revamp unless you can get a similar player to Webb. Hardaker or BJB will be Slater type FB's where they come into the line and run through gaps as neither have a passing game.
That got me thinking about a replacement given that you cannot teach old dogs new tricks - what about Burrow as FB? He is a destructive runner at the line and can pass as well as most in the team giving him a more than one string to his bow.'"
I can see what you're saying but isn't he just too small?
What about Danny? Been tried in year's past. Has worked a treat for Tomkins.
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| I'd try McGuire at full back. Burrow at 7 and Ward at 6, Sinfield back to 13. Give Webb a rest and a chance to think about controlling his game better.
I'd stick Hardaker on the wing and let him get a feel for how frustrating it might be for Hall at the moment.
1. McGuire.
2. Hardaker
3. Smith
4. Ablett
5. Hall
6. Ward
7. Burrow
Another option might be to keep Webb and let Mags play 4 with Ablett at 3. Mags defends at 4 anyway, Hardaker is all over the shop.
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| Quote: DHM "I'd try McGuire at full back. Burrow at 7 and Ward at 6, Sinfield back to 13. Give Webb a rest and a chance to think about controlling his game better.
I'd stick Hardaker on the wing and let him get a feel for how frustrating it might be for Hall at the moment.
1. McGuire.
2. Hardaker
3. Smith
4. Ablett
5. Hall
6. Ward
7. Burrow
Another option might be to keep Webb and let Mags play 4 with Ablett at 3. Mags defends at 4 anyway, Hardaker is all over the shop.'"
1. Hardaker
2. Chislom
3. Ablett
4. Senior
5. Hall
6. Ward
7. McGuire
13. Sinfield
14. Burrow
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| Don't know about the attack, but I can't stand halfbacks defending in the centres. A lot of centres now are as big as second rows and much quicker. A small guy is still going to face bigger guys running at him, and if anything is made an easier target for the attack. A slow halfback like Sinfield is just going to get skinned against a quick centre. Souths tried to hide Sandow there last season and opposing teams aimed attacks at him all day, often to good effect. Playing your halfbacks one in from the centre at least means they have cover both inside and outside.
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| Quote: BrisbaneRhino "Don't know about the attack, but I can't stand halfbacks defending in the centres. A lot of centres now are as big as second rows and much quicker. A small guy is still going to face bigger guys running at him, and if anything is made an easier target for the attack. A slow halfback like Sinfield is just going to get skinned against a quick centre. Souths tried to hide Sandow there last season and opposing teams aimed attacks at him all day, often to good effect. Playing your halfbacks one in from the centre at least means they have cover both inside and outside.'"
It's a point I've made a few times since Friday but Tony Smith sent Atkins at Sinfield all night long and they got lots of joy from it. We didn't appear to adjust.
We sent Delaney at Briers once and got a try.
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| Does anyone know the latest on Webb's injury? I don't see McDermott dropping him unless he's injured but if he misses a few games it will be interesting to see how we go selection-wise.
When Webb went off against Warrington, McDermott could of easily moved Hardaker over to the right wing with BJB going to full-back so that might show that BJB isn't going to be the number 1 next year.
Would like to see Hardaker starting there with Keinhorst given a chance in centre but i think we might well end up playing Smith at full-back in Webb's potential absence.
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| Quote: ThePrinter "Does anyone know the latest on Webb's injury? I don't see McDermott dropping him unless he's injured but if he misses a few games it will be interesting to see how we go selection-wise.
When Webb went off against Warrington, McDermott could of easily moved Hardaker over to the right wing with BJB going to full-back so that might show that BJB isn't going to be the number 1 next year.
Would like to see Hardaker starting there with Keinhorst given a chance in centre but i think we might well end up playing Smith at full-back in Webb's potential absence.'"
Hardaker to Fullback and should be Number 1 as of next Season.
Lee Smith should be shipped out!
Millard should be signed to fill the Left Centre Position if Big Keith goes to Hull KR or Castleford.
We need our Forwards to play as Forwards and our Backs to play as Backs.
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| Quote: Middleton_Loiner "Hardaker to Fullback and should be Number 1 as of next Season.
Lee Smith should be shipped out!
Millard should be signed to fill the Left Centre Position if Big Keith goes to Hull KR or Castleford.
We need our Forwards to play as Forwards and our Backs to play as Backs.'"
That what makes these next few games quite interesting for the club if Webb is absent, they could have a big say in the way we go personnel-wise for 2013.
A, If Hardaker is picked at Fullback how will he go and will he show he should be wearing the number 1 shirt next year? If he plays poor though it requires another rethink.
B, If Keinhorst then fills the left centre role how will he perform, a good showing (all be it against bottom half of the table teams) followed by continued selection thereafter and he might secure the number 4 shirt next year without having to sign anyone. Hardaker did that last year with only a couple of games at centre to his name so it is possible.
C, If Smith gets a start at fullback or centre then it could really be his last good shot at Leeds, fail and he might well be gone.
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| Quote: G1 "I can see what you're saying but isn't he just too small?
What about Danny? Been tried in year's past. Has worked a treat for Tomkins.'"
Not quick enough and doesn't have the ability to easily beat a man since the injury. If I were a forward chasing a kick the last thing I would want is Burrow running at me.
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| Imo Burrow is too small for fb just from the point of taking the high kicks. Surely he would get outjumped too often.
Some of the other qualities needed he could be a great success. His kick returns could be outstanding, his one on one defence is good and he could provide better ball to the wings than Hardaker even though thats not the strongest part of his game.
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| Quote: Sal Paradise "Not quick enough and doesn't have the ability to easily beat a man since the injury. If I were a forward chasing a kick the last thing I would want is Burrow running at me.'"
True....but I don't fancy a leaping Burrow under a well executed high bomb with the same said forwards chasing it down.
Hardaker to FB for me with Keinhorst given a run in the LC position. (or maybe a Hall/Chisholm combination).
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| If Hardaker can't pass, why does everyone want to move him to what's the prime pivot position in the modern game?
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