Burrow is the only player I would have out of the Rhinos team. It is not his fault, the forwards are not running in for him.

Tell your coach & chairman. Swap him for Brough or Robinson, no questions asked.

I was expecting this to be "provocative" drivel, but I was bored so I read it anyway. It;s actually not drivel though. I especially feel we need to steer away from 8. Although it was good to hear McGuire in the Premier Suite tonight saying he's only 2-3 weeks away, because a fit McGuire certainly wouldn't hurt, I don't think the addition of a couple of different players is going to make the difference. Making elementary errors has become endemic at the moment. The players making the mistakes are not bad players, but confidence is low and they look a shambles as a unit.

Huddersfield played a simple, direct, effective game, where the ball was shifted only once a platform was built. It isn't rocket science, it isn't anything new, but when you focus on things like execution and concentration it's bloody effective. And I think it's quite entertaining. RL isn't supposed to be like watching the Harlem Globe Trotters.

But it could be, you have just got to put yourself in a position to play that way, like getting the basics right, something we are not doing. I don't mind us playing an expansive game game but the basics have to be in place to do this, and at the moment they are not.

It's hard work masquerading as a former "provocative" poster and impossible to maintain.

Anyhow, the current situation is too serious to warrant anything other than reasoned debate.

You don't get to watch him every week

I can't believe it i actually agree with most of what Swiftcorn has posted!


I will add that though that however bad the CC final performance was this squad should be and is capable of playing much better imo.
I've said all pre-season andthus far that Brian Mc needs or at least deserves the full season and the opportuinity of signing his own players and having at least the full squad at his disposal.
Now i honestly don't think(like some have suggested) that the squad are playing for him and it's reminding me of the lance era and worse in terms of attitude and application.
As for ins and outs the coaches apart from Gibson because i think he's doing well with u20's.
Playing wise Senior ,kirke ,Ali ,Webb(leaving anyway) at the very least to depart and IF we can find decent younger replacements then Kylie and possibly Cross.
As for Burrow i agree he's been poor but i'd sign someone to compete with him for his place and hopefully see him play behind a dominant pack before ditching him.
I do believe there's potential within the acadamy but some quality recruitment from outside is also needed.

Well the U18's have won 3 from 3 bit of a mix bag from U20's so outside recruitment maybe the only option

Not sure if Buderus on a 1 yr contract but add him to the list of outs, not based on performance but a massive wage on salary cap , but agree with alot of what Swiftcorn has to say

I'm not one for knee jerk reactions but BmcD days are numbered

Swiftcorn's post is a thinly veiled jibe at GH, don't fall for it.

He's been unable to poke a stick at him for some years so now he feels safe enough to push his agenda. The Chief exec should not be judged by a run of results over 10 games in one season.

If you want to make a list like Swiftcorn has done you could try.

1. Rescued the club from Insolvency
2. Cleared the clubs debt
3. Invested massive resources into junior development with great success
4. Built the Carnegie Stand
5. Put in place the rebuilding of the Southstand.
6. Turned Headingley into a massively profitable organization with a turnover of more than 11 million. A turnover that isn't dependant on cup finals and on field success like, say the Bulls was.
7. Signed some of the most successful and longest serving overseas players in the clubs history
8. Presided over a prolonged period of stability on the clubs playing front with record club produced players enjoying testimonials.
9. Signed the players that have won the club more championships in the past 8 years than in the clubs previous 100+ years.
10. Signed the coaches that have coached those players to more championships in the past 8 years than in the clubs previous 100+ years.

Have there been mistakes along the way, yes. Have there been things that whilst not mistakes haven't worked out, yes.

However, the right man is at the helm and he's doing a fantastic job. Look around the league. Ignore, if you will, what is happening on the field at this time. These things are fleeting and cyclical. Which club is in better shape?

especially point 6

You could also add "Managed, improved and modernised the business assets instead of flogging them off to a supermarket to pay debts incurred by rash and ill advised business decisions resulting in the business actually owning very little in the way of any assets at all"

Indeed, you could add a lot of things.

I can't think of better hands for the club to be in tbh. No amount of lists by Swiftcorn will change any of that.

Hang on, a certain poster on here last night was demanding GH sack himself!

I believe most Rhinos fans can sleep happily in the comforting knowledge that despite the wayward direction the club is heading on the field of play, at least it's business interests, it's assets and it's profitability remain in extremely good nick.

What else could possibly excite a fan of their club and the game of rugby league more than that?

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Maggie Thatcher arguably succeeded in elevating this country from being the 'sick man of Europe' into an economic powerhouse. Perhaps we should have made her PM for life in suitable gratitude.

You have absolutely no say as to who the chief exec of this club is.

But in your opinion the coach can be judged on this short period!

If you give credit to GH for the recruitment of the academy players that have formed the backbone of our recent successful side you have to also be critical of GH for a lack of succession planning that is one of our current problems.

I tought you said on the other thread "ITS THE PLAYERS...STUPID"

Would not get rid of Bailey, but the rest should go, along with Cross

As for youngsters to fill the void of McGuire, Burrows and Sinfield. Which youngsters to you have in mind because having watched the reserves last night in the curtain raiser, none of the halves look upto the mark.

Brian Mcdermott, James Lowes and Damien Gibson all need to go before this Easter. Also Barrie Mcdermott should be booted out of is role as Head of Youth Development.

Groom or to be recruited.
We've got 4 years for Sinfield. Young lad to be recruited could be 16yrs
Would suggest Danny will get another contract and that gives us 2/3yrs. Young lad could be to be recruited poss 16yrs
Burrow needs to be addressed asap. Thought we got a young lad from Wigan. How's he going? If not up to it then get looking and recruit short term competition.

Anyone know of a coach with excellent pedigree who is out of work, and lives locally?
Someone who knows Brian Mac and James Lowes very well?
Someone who could come and advise/help/coach???

I've heard a rumour......

All the players looked very glum and serious at Kirkstall this morning, especially JJB, not his usual exuberant self. More interesting was that Uncle Gary was down at Kirkstall to be at least part of a "talk" with the players this morning. I've never seen Hetherington there for that kind of thing before.

The fact that he referred to Leeds as "we" on the red button show last night confirms it IMHO. I don't think it's the right thing to do (unless it's purely for the rest of this season) but we do need to improve the quality of the coaching as well as the stuff we do on game day.

If you read the full posting it includes GH and then subsequent dialog.ue with G1. Do keep up at the back please.

Spill the beans SD!!


G1 i think GH is a great CEO and there's no way i'd suggest replacing him or forget what he's done for our club but Keith has a point with his post in terms of where we are and some of the decisions made i.e squad retention who we've recruited andwhat's needed moving forward.
If it's just a veiled pop at GH and another troll then i've mis-read it!

This is a debate - whilst I respect Gareth's views doesn't mean they are correct or I agree with them - or him mine.

I think the club has now exhausted Hetherington's talents and some new ideas/talents are required.

If you want to see what happens when the bosses get it wrong look at Bradford - they were an equally dominant team in their era and look now. Anyone who thinks this cannot happen to Leeds is nieve.