Neither of them were as bad as Higham was for Wire. But he did have 16 teammates playing superbly.

For a long time I have stated McClennan's insistence on spelling the superior Buderus with the inferior Diskin would "bite the club on its ass" ....at some critical part of the season.

For a while I did buy into the suggestion that it was a canny tactic to prolong the value of an ageing Buderus to the club who might not otherwise be able to manage the full 80 these days on a regular basis. However, for the 'big one' common sense would prevail and he would indeed play the full 80.

Buderus started off with a 'mare' but was never given the chance to come back on and change the game until it was too damn late.

Of course I am not claiming Leeds would have definitely won and hindsight is a marvelous thing....but Diskin was not playing well enough to keep him out there.

Guess we will never know......BUT no Ali combined with the second criminal decision to keep Buderus from playing a full 80 were surely two large factors in the defeat.

This thread was almost as predictable as the massive over reaction to a decent Buderus performance in the semi final.

Sadly, it's true. He was awful. He wasn't alone I accept but as he was (wrongly) credited by many on here for single handedly winning us the semi it's a fair thread. He gets way too much credit for what he has done at Leeds and Diskin gets far too little.

Believe me, I desperately wish I had not been given the ammunition to starts threads about Buderus and Kirke but direct your ire at Buderus and kirke for the fact that I have been able to, not at me.

I was slightly disappointed with you yesterday when this failed to materialise. I always thought it was ineviatable.

It's only fair as a direct response to the hero worship, otherwise there'd be about 10 of these player threads kicking around.

The stick Diskin has got is unfair but despite being the slightly better player on Saturday his performances this year have been completely overshadowed by Buderus'

In terms of legacy Diskin should be regarded as a Leeds legend in the future, Buderus not so.

Well said that man.

The opening poster should be ashamed of himself for such pish poor barrell scraping.

Buderus certainly was not effective on Saturday, but his replacement was equally ineffective and poor, along with many other players.

I notice he only starts threads for two scape goats though, depsite a poor team performance.

Poor old Diskin, I think im gonna cry.

You'll need to extract your face from Buderus' ass cleft first.

You got a tissue?

You'll need a chisel first.

We all know you have an agenda here , and as bad as Buderus and Kirke were on saturday they were better than certain Rhino " legends " who appear to be bombproof to criticism on here .

So did we need Buderus or not? Isn't he supposed to make a difference?

Further evidence that he really has been such a waste of money.

I just wonder why Ryan Bailey wasn't striking fear into anyone who dared cross his path . What happened.

Did we need him ? Probably not .

Is he supposed to make a difference ? of course he is .

But the chances of him contributing anything significant playing in a front six so brutally outplayed were pretty non-existant wouldnt you say ?

Do I? Pray tell what is it?

What about the other 18 months?