Very very interesting to see how we react to this. We were missing a lot of exp out there in a squad which is already a bit light overall. I said I feared the worst and it unfortunately proved correct. Agars honeymoon period for me is over with that tonight. That was a humiliation no doubt about it. Time to roll up the sleeves and get back to what we were doing pre lockdown. Poor discipline in this new format will see a lot of score lines like this... we won’t be alone in that. Cas and FC we’re equally dreadful in their games. Credit to Saints they’re too good for us at the moment. Agar needs to earn his stripes now though with the current squad and shaping the future.

What do you mean Seth? What else are you are aware of?

Did you think we’d be joint second with a game in hand after 7 games with only 2 losses after the Hull game?

You actually sound like you’re hoping we lose?

Unhappy players following wage cuts perhaps?

I mean as a whole pal. It’s been five years in the making to get this poor. Ok we somehow managed to pinch a GF win in 2017, but the writing was on the wall when Sinfield and Peacock jacked.
I’m well aware it’s not easy running a club as big as Leeds, and balancing the books, but to see clientele like Rhys Evans and James Donaldson in a Leeds 17 is an all time low.

Your point about blowout score is a good one, look at the scorelines since the restart, there will be a lot of teams on the end of high scores because of the rule changes

Exactly the same was said about Isn Kirke, Daryl Griffin and many others.

We were in a mess but one walloping from an in form Saints team doesn’t mean we aren’t making progress

To be fair we are punching well above our weight on the ladder. We will never challenge for honours or match top sides like Saints when they are on it with Agar in charge. i have no agenda or hatred towards the guy just he isn't good enough for our club, nowhere near imo, but it is what it is and i will sit back and watch it play out i don't expect much during his era so beatings like this are going to be a meh for me till he goes.

And they were both crap too, but it was easier to carry them two in otherwise good sides.

We’re in a mess after being asleep at the wheel on squad quality for years, and I think everyone understands that takes a couple of years to fix, but the lack of effort and smarts shown by so many of this current squad is really telling.

The rotten culture isn’t completely rooted out yet.

Do people understand it will take time? Reading this forum im not so sure.

I'm not alluding to anything but you know when a team is just in a bad patch of form to when a team has so much that's fundamentally wrong. I hope I'm wrong but I dont see that being turned around very quickly.