I suspect many Leeds fans are actually only feeling apathy after such a long period of disappointment.

McDermott won't be here next season anyway so don't worry.

I don't see anything coming from the club to suggest McDermott will not be in place next season

My source within the dressing room said its looking like that might be it for McDermott. Utter silence after the game apparently.

Why would you at this point?

One rough season and you guys really want McDermott gone? You'll stroll through the middle 8's and with a few good signings and better luck with injuries you'll be back challenging next season.

You are McDermott and I claim my fiver

Apparently I'm Shaun Wane as well because I defended him when our fans were going ape sh*t earlier in the year. Could I be both? Have they ever been seen in the same room together?

What source is that.....tomato? brown? tartar? hoisin?

Same as every other game this season.

Leaving one player on bench while he flogs the others.
No control , direction or tactics shown by any of the three or four half backs used.
Stupid penalties, maybe from over worked forwards
No proper hooker (or FB now) leading to odd or bizarre subs and player positions .

In a perverse way getting beat today has some well hidden positives.

Having won the previous two some were getting giddy about making the top 8 with McD still spouting it too. If we had scraped in by a miracle I fear the club would point to the training ground and injuries as justification for a poor first half of the season and not addressed the key issues.

As it is we now have a number of players back so we do look a little better but it's clear we have no leader, game manager or clear influence so we need to recruit to fill those roles. It's also clear the coaches aren't capable of helping the players understand what they need to do. A full review is needed.

Assuming we don't get relegated, I agree. This season is now shaping up to be a watershed event. Had we scraped into the Super 8s or been just outside the top 8 a lot of nonsense could have been used to hide the team's shortcomings (blah blah injuries blah blah training ground blah blah Zak Harakder blah blah). As a result we may have had to suffer longer than expected, whereas its as clear as day that major changes are required, both on and off field.

Some of the facts are quite mind-boggling:

- finishing bottom after the regular season for the first time
- worst attack and close to worst defence in the competition (and so obviously points difference).
- longest losing run for 60 years
- so far the lowest win percentage in the lowest in the club's history (we're currently on 23% from all games vs 27% in 1899-1900). I fully expect a couple of wins against Championship teams to push this up.
- possible to have a top try scorer with less than 10 tries for the first time since 1943-44.

Any one of these factoids ought to send alarm bells ringing. Take them together and it adds up to a heap of steaming garbage as a season. After last year, had we crept into the Top 8 I couldn't have argued against BM staying or just tinkering with the squad. The same would probably have been true if we narrowly missed out on the 8. As it is I really can't see how he can be allowed to carry on next year, or how anyone can not see the need for major surgery on the squad.