My point stands who comes in?

I'll admit after warrington the way they dug in in adversity was very pleasing.

Im saying yes if there's a viable alternative. How would I know who's available, Danny Ward? I'm not saying we would be immediately on a par with saints but with Agar we are not heading above where we've been that's for sure. I posted after 10 mins of last nights game predicting where it was going.

And if I was coaching the team and at half time in week 2 could sense an abject performance from their body language etc I'd be firmly pointing the finger at myself. That shouldn't be happening.

The club themselves have said the plan is for Agar to move upstairs as and when the right person comes along.

Getting rid now with no plan will help no one.

That statement in itself is surely an admittance of him not being capable of the level needed.

Maybe so, but if the right person isn’t available at the moment sacking him now will not help.

Were 3 games into a season and we’ve had a poor start, win our next 3 and the table and prospects for the season look different.

Even the next 2 could make a big difference

I admire your optimism Christopher all ifs and buts, will see you in 3 weeks then.

One thing I will add though is he needs to shut up going on about 'Leeds DNA' it's like some desperate grab on to the past in the hope that it'll inspire his troops. Let it go and let the team create their own.

It’s not optimism is pragmatism.

It’s a long season, we’ve been great in one game, terrible in another and disappointing in the last, we might stumble along at the bottom half all season we might go on a run and end up in the top 2, my point is that this early in the season is not the right time to be sacking anyone and neither is it the time to be predicting where teams will finish.

I think it’s all the years of our fans wanting Mcdermott sacked (even when he’d just joined) make me roll my eyes at these inevitable threads after a few losses.

I've always been very pragmatic and never once contributed to the mcdermott out message through all those years and was very much the opposite of that. But all context considered this time I feel Agar needs to go as soon as viably possible. Wouldn't mind seeing ward til the end of the year.

I just don’t think Ward coming in would achieve anything especially if its a short term thing

The only way id want Agar gone so early in the season is if there’s unrest in the cano like there was with Furner

If the plan is to move Agar upstairs at the end of the year we have to trust that GH and Agar are progressing. Agar still has some credit in the bank with me, but I do think he his guilty of at least a couple of comfort blanket selections: 1) Dywer - despite memorably referring to his crisp packet passing he still can't resist throwing him on to "add some spark." Enough of that, pick young Johnson and be done with it. 2) Briscoe - I know he still does some of the good things he did as a winger, but that doesn't make him a centre. He should be dropped from the first team and moved on at the end of the season. His days as a top class player are gone. If he continues to stick with these two I'll fast lose confidence in him.

I understand the whole 'its only 3 games' thing, but this just feels like a repeat of last year with different injuries. We'll no doubt have a mini-revival and tonk some poor sides at some stage, but to come into a new season looking so undercoached is not good enough.

I don't like knee-jerk sacking of coaches, and I think Agar will see out the rest of the season. I don't think he should be coach next year though. I worry that we'll hang on for too long again as we did with McDermott. There's also a risk we'll mess up like we did with Furner, but if we avoid ex-players and aim for up-and-coming NRL coaches there's actually a reasonable pool to choose from.

When it gets to the point that nothing the coach says or does makes little or no difference to performances its time to move on. Agar seems like a very honest and decent man, but that does not make him a top flight coach. Lam was similar at Wigan and got similar results in the end.