Agree. Although in such cases the odds of getting bitten tend to lengthen with every charge added to the rap sheet.

Its about what they do on the field are you seriously suggesting Zac's contribution compares to what Graham gives and has given?

His indiscrections are born out of a desire to win not out of some warped view on what is acceptable behaviour

Always thought Hall would make a good captain, bright well respected lad.

No, I am suggesting that your view on Graham as a captain is based on the recent past and now, and one I agree with. But you are ignoring his earlier years, like for like with Hardaker. If you compare at the same ages, then a different view would be formed.

He is bright and well respected, but comes across as a bit shy, and not exactly a rugby organiser.

What Andy said about captaincy not mattering too much if there are various leaders on the field is sort of true, but I think RL is somewhere between football (where captaincy doesn't matter at all) and cricket (where it's key) in that a captain like Sinfield is also an on-field coach. Whether he has the armband or not, we need someone who can do that and it's not Hall. Also an important aspect of captaincy is how you deal with referees and manage that relationship - as we've seen from Hanley to Farrell to Sinfield. Not sure Zak would be the best choice for that no matter what he has or hasn't done this time round...

I think what makes the captaincy we've had at Leeds different is that at other clubs the captain just feels like the guy whose leading the team for that 80 mins and in training. Sinfield really has a role of being captain of the whole club and seems like a 24/7 gig. I also agree with Andy above using the likeness of a cricket captain compared to a football captain, Sinfield really feels more like the former of the two and one that has a significant bearing on how the team play.

I think your last sentence there is exactly how the club saw it, and the intention was to continue. It was more a case of a pivot, and controlling the way we play, and growing with the next generation. A long term stable period.

As I said previously, outside influences putting a spoke on that, would obviously change things.

Btw, having got lost in all the drama is that Golding is probably going to play tonight. Obviously not in the circumstances we want but I'm really looking forward to seeing how he goes and its a real chance to start making a name for himself.

If what we're all skirting around turns out to be true not only does young Golding have a fantastic opportunity tonight but, perhaps, for the rest of the season.

Now I'm gonna try something that might be difficult for some people on here, lets be logical and play detective for a moment.

YEP article this afternoon says 'A 22-year-old man confronted ONE of the men and was assaulted, suffering black eyes and bruising to his ears and neck.'

Now the ONE would suggest to me that it was only one of the men that attacked the guy. With that in mind, think back to the original article in which the male with a striking resemblance to Minchella, was the only one to have a close up image posted. With logical thinking in mind people, who does that suggest assaulted the guy? IMO that would be the male with a striking resemblance Minchella.

Obviously this may not be what has actually happened, but like I said IMO this is what everything seems to point to at the moment, and may also explain why Hardaker remained in the 19 and Minchella was completely dropped from the U19s.

Where do you get the info from that Graham was arrested for assault? I don't ever remember that happening!

And he's always denied the biting charge. It's always been a dubious charge to start with given that there was no footage of his mouth around Slater's ear. And Slater did refuse to provide medical evidence of the alleged bite. Proof only has to be on the balance of probabilities in the civil arena.

Graham is an excellent captain. He was an excellent captain at Saints, alongside Wello.

I thought of that too but thought best just to wait and see. But you're right, both the the original article and today's state ONE person.....so it might only be one whose done anything physical.

Doesn't matter who punched, attacked, whatever. What the hell were they doing in a building they shouldn't be in, trying to enter rooms they shouldn't be in, and in the middle of the night? It's poor behaviour what ever.

Do you believe everything you read in a newspaper? Like I've said we don't know exactly what's happened, that's just one persons side of the story that could be complete horseradish. The article suggested they went back with several others so looks like an after party may be the reason for being there.

Personally I don't know what they were doing out on a Monday night at all anyway!

They were probably let in somehow, looking for someone in particular (probably female). I've been in the Opal building at roughly the same time midweek.....you can't just sneak in, it pretty tight security wise.

Minchella's been dropped for fighting. Make of that what you will.

You talk sense

Ashton Golding starts!!!

Pleased to see him get the chance whatever the circumstance, but I think we may lose this now, IMO he's not physically strong enough to face a team like Warrington.

Hope I'm proved wrong

From what I have seen of Golding so far he looks a very good attacking rugby player with a head up awareness and has show on more than one occasion a touch of class too rarely seen these days. I am sure Warrington will seek to put him under pressure and he will need the help and experience of Hall and Briscoe which I am also sure he will get. He has the chance to play himself into a regular spot and could provide that attacking link we have missed since Webb's best days.

How the hell is that grounded????

That is a joke of a decision

How the hell was that not a knock on??!!!!

Jeez I'm a neutral doncaster fan but how the hell did the vr not see a knock on there

Ridiculous decision.

Screwed twice by this new 'on-field' ref decision