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Quote: Biff Tannen "Everyone knows we are not good enough in the centres. We have one guy in Watkins who COULD and perhaps SHOULD be world class bracket but is frustrating and hasn't lived up to that billing, certainly of late. I do think that is why he gets extra criticism especially from rival fans. I don't think he had an awful series, he just wasn't a game changer and that is what gets people's backs up imo.

Like you say, Atkins is certainly no answer at international level, same as Shenton both are 30 plus now, and i'm struggling to see much hope with centres coming through anywhere on the horizon. Probably have to hope that percival comes on leaps and bounds over the next season or two, but Watkins is still the best option we have there by a clear distance.'"



Currie and Atkins both scored 17 trys last season. Watkins scored 9, most of which were in the middle 8 play offs.
Percival scored just 6 trys.
As stated, the added physicality would have been beneficial against both the Aussies and Kiwis and with the better try returns, I know which players I have picked.

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Quote: sarge1 "Currie and Atkins both scored 17 trys last season. Watkins scored 9, most of which were in the middle 8 play offs.
Percival scored just 6 trys.
As stated, the added physicality would have been beneficial against both the Aussies and Kiwis and with the better try returns, I know which players I have picked.'"


Currie was injured and isn't a centre anyway we will be using him in the back row. Atkins is a flat track bully as mentioned, a few extra trys on a plate for a team playing well in SL does not make you ready for Inglis and co. Atkins of today is not near international class and is in the fag end of his career. Look, i agree Watkins was out of form and poor, as were Leeds for this season. but until you give me a viable, realistic alternative Watkins is England's no.1 centre still imo.

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If folk think Watkin's defence is suspect then they should take a long hard look at Atkins.
He's England's version of Kenny-Dowall.
Now watch SKD play a blinder in the final.

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Quote: Biff Tannen "Currie was injured and isn't a centre anyway we will be using him in the back row. Atkins is a flat track bully as mentioned, a few extra trys on a plate for a team playing well in SL does not make you ready for Inglis and co. Atkins of today is not near international class and is in the fag end of his career. Look, i agree Watkins was out of form and poor, as were Leeds for this season. but until you give me a viable, realistic alternative Watkins is England's no.1 centre still imo.'"


Currie is a better 'form' centre than any of those selected and played very well in the centre a number of times last season.
If you want another better centre than Watkins on 2015 performances, I would suggest Atkins or Josh Griffin on both attack and defence.

Please take those Rhinos glasses off and get objective.

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Time to get your Wolves' tinted glasses off too.
We are generally in agreement re Currie but he is injured so irrelevant to this season's tournament.
Re Atkins we'll have to agree to disagree.

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Even Warrington fans said that Atkins was poor in the final 3rd of the season. He played well in a well performing team, switch him and Watkins around and do you think Atkins is playing like that for Leeds this year?

At least when we reached the 2 finals in 2015, Watkins produced on both occasions. Set up several tries at Wembley and a crucial one at the GF as well as great defence in the 2nd row position and was most people runner up for MOM.

Atkins produced naff all at Wembley this year and then bombed a try at Old Trafford before jumping out of the defensive line unnecessarily and being the cause of Wigan's match winning try. Warrington should be the champions right now but aren't because of Atkins.

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Flat track looks amazing when you are 20 / 30pts in front an cruising, out come the steps, flicks and tricks.

When you are behind the 8 ball and need him to put a shift in or try and create something - nope. He'd give Leon Pryce's GF hide and seek records a run for their money.

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Quote: Old Feller "Time to get your Wolves' tinted glasses off too.
We are generally in agreement re Currie but he is injured so irrelevant to this season's tournament.
Re Atkins we'll have to agree to disagree.'"


No Wolves glasses here just trying to be objective.
I note that you ignored my suggestion that Josh Griffin would be a better choice on form?

PS I've been a Cas fan for 58 years.

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Quote: sarge1 "

Please take those Rhinos glasses off and get objective.'"


What!?..

i'm still waiting for a viable option.

Josh Griffin, a flat track bully and an injured back rower is all you can come up with? icon_lol.gif

Hang on...i'll give your next shout before you say it... Cudjoe icon_lol.gif

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Quote: Biff Tannen "What!?..

i'm still waiting for a viable option.

Josh Griffin, a flat track bully and an injured back rower is all you can come up with?

Griffin a flat track bully?

I wouldn't for one minute suggest him myself, but standing out in a crap side makes him very far from a flat track bully. Would not be convinced he could handle a top level team, let alone internationals, but he was certainly a form player if that is the argument.

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Quote: Gotcha "Griffin a flat track bully?

I wouldn't for one minute suggest him myself, but standing out in a crap side makes him very far from a flat track bully. Would not be convinced he could handle a top level team, let alone internationals, but he was certainly a form player if that is the argument.'"


I think he means - Josh Griffin....a flat track bully in Atkins....and an injured back rower in Currie.

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Quote: Gotcha "Griffin a flat track bully?

I wouldn't for one minute suggest him myself, but standing out in a crap side makes him very far from a flat track bully. Would not be convinced he could handle a top level team, let alone internationals, but he was certainly a form player if that is the argument.'"


I was referring to Atkins as the flat track bully. Griffin, i don't feel i really need to waste my breath on why he shouldn't have played in this series, you put it pretty well enough though icon_smile.gif

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Quote: Biff Tannen "What!?..

i'm still waiting for a viable option.

Josh Griffin, a flat track bully and an injured back rower is all you can come up with? icon_lol.gif

Hang on...i'll give your next shout before you say it... Cudjoe icon_lol.gif

we are truly blessed a014.gif'"
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Looks like it's a waste of time trying to have a conversation with you, because there is no way you can see past Watkins.
I mistakenly thought that the subject was about England / Australia, not just trying to justify the selection of an out of form Rhinos player, and trying to ridicule any other suggestion.

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I asked you to give me a viable alternative, imo you gave laughable ones. I said Watkins was as poor as anyone in a struggling Leeds team that frankly most backs would have struggled to stand out in. Imo it's a case of Watkins being the best of an average at best bunch to choose from, i'm not at all saying i can't look past Watkins but until a better option presents itself he is the best hope we have i'm afraid.

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Atkins is the poor man's Watkins. Both go missing more than you'd like but talent-wise the latter stands head and shoulders over the former. IMO of course.

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