No problem with the name 'Chiefs'. Chiefs and chiefdoms are universally accepted anthropological terms to describe certain forms of political organisation.

That said, as a resident of Exeter, it IS strange that a Rugby Union club would choose a heavily stereotyped image of a indigenous American as their logo. This is cultural appropriation in a pretty blatant form. Not all cultural appropriation is bad, but in this case it shows ignorance of the plight of indigenous Americans, who were essentially dispossessed of their land and opportunities for future wealth by European colonialists (see also the Australian experience!). People with indigenous heritage might understandably find this offensive, especially considering where that many colonials would have been of British origin!

Why not instead use something from Exeter's Roman past? Yes, the Romans were also colonialists, but the big difference is that no-one in modern Britain can claim to have been disadvantaged (or benefit) from the Roman conquest, since we no longer live in the Roman era, and any direct link to it has been lost. Like it or not, the same cannot be said of the legacy of European imperialism and colonialism.

As for the Rhino logo, it's also a strange choice but no-one can seriously claim that the Rhino will be upset by Leeds using the logo - if anything wildlife organisations seeking to protect the Rhino can benefit from this kind of exposure. We are not using it to promote harmful cultural stereotypes.

Or Exeter could use a name from their Celtic past like chiefs, Chiefs is not just referring to native Americans, keep the name change the head dress logo though.

Maybe the reason we have to have trans and gay protests as well as BLM protested, and trans rights is because of attitudes like yours, total ignorance on your part. A trans women is not simply a man wearing a dress, and even if it was why does that “offend” You so much, it affects you in no Way what soever.

As for the soft lefties, it was soft lefties that won world war 2 which people like you like to go on about.

What about Cleveland Browns? I'm certain that's not racial, it must mean something else .Is it the breed of Horse ?

Named after 1st ever coach the great Paul Brown.

Cheers

Wow someone bit. Tbf you can't say anything these days without someone twisting it.

Wow, the old, “you can’t say anything nowadays” response, when someone’s utter bollox has been called out.

The most contraversial comments were clearly tongue in cheek. Save some of your energy worrying about the global pandemic.

Ah you can't beat the old projected insults when someone has a difference of opinion. Maybe such incivility is why reasoned debate is so difficult to have.

Back to the OP, I am not quite sure how the name "Leeds Rhinos" applies here...

Please indulge an old bloke, what the hell is Wokeness?

I don’t even have any words

Then don't bother responding

Hell of a thread this. Certainly an eye opener!

Yeah, I can’t help but feel partly responsible for it deteriorating rapidly too.

https://www.totalrl.com/rfl-ask-for-ans ... ing-tweet/ Embarrassing, but not surprising.

https://www.totalrl.com/rfl-ask-for-ans ... ing-tweet/ Embarrassing, but not surprising.

Elaborate, Jack. Not all of us are up to speed with social media news.

Wow.

This decended rapidly.

Let’s keep a cool head here fellas.

Debate yes, slurs no.

With such an emotive subject I know it’s hard to bite your tongue on topics as we all have different viewpoints / shared experiences.

Tread lightly.

As you were.

Really - what evidence do you have for that?

Why does it offend me - because the trans lobby is so powerful it prevents people stating facts - not opinion facts. You will get banned off twitter for suggesting a man with a penis is a male and woman with a vagina is female - these are facts not opinions that is why it offends me. The idea that there are 100 gender types is just bonkers and not factually correct.

I have no truck with racism but you cannot deny that more blacks are killed by blacks - its a fact not an opinion and as such you should be able to say it. Now they are banning the use of the word Jihadist - because it might upset a community - again its a fact. Wokeness gone mad.

Wiley - he has a point - it is well known the only people making money out of published music are the companies that publish it not the artists. Artists get $41 per million radio plays and $7,000 per million plays on Spotify the vast majority of the revenues goes directly to the record company. The Jewish rant deflected from the bigger picture sadly. It has always been the case even back to Elvis and Col. Parker.

Details of what he said are in the article.

He commented on the local lockdowns in Bradford and greater Manchester by saying something along the lines of "what are they all full of"

I’ve know idea why but I find the threads where this happens really entertaining and hate it when they end up getting locked

Cheers

Full of people surely? Highly residential areas are Greater Manchester and Bradford. Always much more chance of Covid spreading in highly populated areaa than the Countryside. Are City dwellers offended by that?

Sex and gender aren't necessarily the same thing though. The idea of sex being binary, and gender being on a spectrum isn't a new scientific idea. I'm sceptical to a degree and I'll admit that the idea seems strange to me, but then if it wasn't true why would anyone choose to be trans? They're probably the most discriminated against and ridiculed section of our society with a very high suicide rate. There's absolutely no upside for the vast majority of trans people.

The statistics about more black people killing black people is a statistical truth. The issue I have with it is that is used to try deflect and undermine racism against black people. It's similar to when people try to play down acts of terrorism by mentioning wars in the middle east. The point maybe valid, but it doesn't justify the act of terrorism.

Rents like Wiley's are typical of what we've seen over 1000s of years and are what gave rise to the nazis and bolsheviks most recently, and anti Jewish rhetoric is definitely making a comeback especially in Europe. It's very troubling. Again, the point about the music industry ripping off artists isn't necessarily inaccurate, but it's an argument that's easy to make without being antisemitic, so I have absolutely no sympathy for him.

There are plenty of densly populated cities that are not suffering - why is that Oldham, Bradford, Calderdale,Leicester etc are? what is driving this difference?