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The holding down and especially offside and skinny 10 has been a hallmark of reffing this season.
It's obviously this years interpretation.


Whilst we're on the subject of refereeing. I absolutely hate the McGuire no try situation where there's an incident well away from the try line and the ref let's play continue and then goes to the video ref for it. I don't just mean this specific incident, there are plenty more like it.

I have 2 issues with it. Firstly, by allowing play to continue the ref has already made his decision. Secondly, if McGuire (in this instance) gets tackled instead of scoring, play continues and could score without VR check off the next play. It incentivises a player to NOT score a try.

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Quote: Him "The holding down and especially offside and skinny 10 has been a hallmark of reffing this season.
It's obviously this years interpretation.


Whilst we're on the subject of refereeing. I absolutely hate the McGuire no try situation where there's an incident well away from the try line and the ref let's play continue and then goes to the video ref for it. I don't just mean this specific incident, there are plenty more like it.

I have 2 issues with it. Firstly, by allowing play to continue the ref has already made his decision. Secondly, if McGuire (in this instance) gets tackled instead of scoring, play continues and could score without VR check off the next play. It incentivises a player to NOT score a try.'"


Correct it's a cop out by the ref and a gutless video ref decision. This type of thing is turning people of the game

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The refereeing was poor but there was very, very little indication that the players of either side would provide much quality whatever the reffing was like.

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Quote: rollin thunder "Correct it's a cop out by the ref and a gutless video ref decision. This type of thing is turning people of the game'"


Hall didn't play the ball, he went in for the tackle. Keinhorst sort of squeezed the ball off Hall's arm and there was nothing Hall, who wasn't looking to play the ball, could have done about it. The sort of letter-of-the-law decision that shows the law (and Stuart Cummings) is an ass.

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but that is the law. i don't agree with it but it is the correct decision

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Like I said on the other thread, by the letter of the law it's correct....just like how they can disallow all those 'obstruction' tries by "letter of the law"......unfortunately common sense isn't allowed it seems in most/all cases.

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We are going of the original topic and the o.p is correct , but early season we had quick play the balls esprcially when Silverwood reffed , clowns like this guy tonight ,Child and the excuse of a ref last week are not up to it , mind you the Leeds performance in recent weeks has been on a similar level to those jokers

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A good team can adapt. Leeds ATM seem to be incapable of doing this. We look massively jaded, key personnel out of the team is obviously having an effect, but we just look absolutely clueless, with no plan B.

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A plan A WOULD BE A START

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If the ball hadn't had touched hall it may well of gone to trinity.hand so his knock on affected play.what bout Riley's try was Lynne in touch? That should been benefit of doubt.leeds got more off the ref than trinity esp Walters ball stealing

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Quote: craigizzard "Hall didn't play the ball, he went in for the tackle. Keinhorst sort of squeezed the ball off Hall's arm and there was nothing Hall, who wasn't looking to play the ball, could have done about it. The sort of letter-of-the-law decision that shows the law (and Stuart Cummings) is an ass.'"


it one rule they have been consistent about all year, so why moan?

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I'm surprised nobodies mentioned Wakefields winning try being scored from a pass that was 5m forward

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What ever happened to the rule that you had to play for the ball and if you're engaged in the tackle it's not a knock on. The Hall knock on was marginal and as for Clarke's outburst well it just shows you his bias on the situation and where he'd pinned his colours, they need to bin him off if he can't be impartial. He needs to take a leaf out of Barrie's and Jon Wells book who are professional in their analysis

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Quote: dubairl "it one rule they have been consistent about all year, so why moan?'"


I'm moaning at the rule not the application of the rule.

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Quote: craigizzard "Hall didn't play the ball, he went in for the tackle. Keinhorst sort of squeezed the ball off Hall's arm and there was nothing Hall, who wasn't looking to play the ball, could have done about it. The sort of letter-of-the-law decision that shows the law (and Stuart Cummings) is an ass.'"

More worryingly, for me anyway, was the incident in the first half where the ball was knocked backward by a Wakey player, it hit Sutcliffe and was then picked up by a Leeds player in front of Sutcliffe.
Both Cummings and the ref were wrong. The ref gave a Wakey scrum for a Leeds knock on and Cummings said it should've been a penalty for offside.
The ref, even though he got it wrong, gets a pass. He has to make an instant decision.
Cummings had the benefit of a couple of Sky replays and still couldn't get the right call. It wasn't that long ago he stopped as head of refs, surely he remembers that a player can't knock on if he doesn't play at the ball. Does he know it's 4 points for a try now?

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Quote: craigizzard "Hall didn't play the ball, he went in for the tackle. Keinhorst sort of squeezed the ball off Hall's arm and there was nothing Hall, who wasn't looking to play the ball, could have done about it. The sort of letter-of-the-law decision that shows the law (and Stuart Cummings) is an ass.'"


it one rule they have been consistent about all year, so why moan?'"

I agree it's something they've been consistent on, but they've been consistent on obstruction too...

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