[quote="christopher":3lkzbnv3]Well, we will find out won’t we! We were terrible last year and finished 4 points off 4th place. Hull KR dropping off from last year would be a miracle? Not really it’s happened to many teams before and it will again.[/quote:3lkzbnv3] Yet we were never realistically going to make the top 6, particularly with the last 2 games we had. I think we'll be in a decent scrap for the 5th to 8th places this year. That will show a small amount of progress. But the real measure of success will be where we finish in those 4 places.... 5th will be a good season, 8th will be another disaster.

Agreed that anything less than a top 4 finish is a failure. A top 3 finish would show we are moving in the right direction.

No wonder other fans call us entitled whinos!

[quote="LeedsLurch":1par3nkf]No wonder other fans call us entitled whinos![/quote:1par3nkf] Entitled Whinos.

The thing is it's where a club of our size, facilities and spending power should be (top 4 as a minimum), but, it needs to be earned on and off the park and we've not earned it for too long. We eat humble pie until we get our backsides back to something like.

It will be interesting to see how the likes of Leigh and Salford do. Leigh have had to go through a rebuild and Salford look like they'll lose at least a couple of their best players.