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| Quote: BoredWiganer "I would say it was more a card for holding Field down so that your defence had time to set up, which is ironic because if he had let Field get up and play the ball he would have had nobody to play it to.
Let's not pretend that our own clubs are golden child's and have not done exactly the same thing that Dupree is being accused of. We have been on the wrong side of it many times this season it is a case of if you can't beat them, join them unfortunately. Still, as you say, doesn't change the fact that the correct decision was made on the night.
The Forber incident is another contentious one. In my opinion, a potential "late" hit should never be watched in slow motion as there is no way you can get a true reflection on that players ability to pull out of a challenge. In fact, i would go as far as to say that it should be written into the laws of the game that a potential "late" hit should never be watched in slow motion unless there is suspicion of another misdemeanor. In the Forber one, they ONLY showed replays in slow motion, and even at that speed he has less than 1 second to pull out of the challenge, meaning he had significantly less time at full speed. Players have to be able to properly challenge a kicker otherwise where will the pressure on said kicker come from? Calling something like that a late hit is a dangerous precedent to set, if you can't put genuine pressure onto a kicker then anybody who is perceived to be kicking a ball becomes untouchable. Let's see how well that one plays out.
The fact that KR (and fans from other clubs) are still upset by this and complaining 1 week later is frankly embarrassing and a serious case a rose-tinted glasses.
Good luck tonight Leeds, looking forward to what should hopefully be a hard fought contest.'"
There were 2 far worse examples in the Saints game the following day and no one seems to be commenting. Go figure! Also, as said above, the KR fans seemed to be ok about it when it resulted in a Wigan player being sent off in the CC semi. Again, go figure! Lastly, I don't see anything about Leeming getting sin binned the week before against Catalans for a tackle the ref can be heard admitting was neither late nor high. One last go figure!
Anyway, safe travels to the Leeds fans coming over tonight.
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| Cam Smith was player of the year last year and should have made the England squad.
He’s had a poor year but I'm not sure why some fans want to write players off so easily. This years off season is huge for some of our players that I agree with.
You say players can’t develop at 26, look at how Elliot Minchella has thrived in a decent side coached well.
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| Minchella had the basic physical tools to be a decent player. That's what I'm not sure about with Smith.
I'm not writing him off completely, but I'd say you would be in a small group saying Cam should have played for England, and I'm just not sure what role he's supposed to play for Leeds going forward. I'm not sure Arthur would look to play him as a ball handler (its not an NRL thing really), he's simply not dynamic enough to be a prop at his size, and so I'm a bit lost as to what to do, as Smith seems to be as well. Maybe an off-season changing focus will make the world of difference. I hope so.
Anyway, my basic point was that we can all make excuses, as every single player would look better in a better team. Its the same rather pointless debate we've had about any number of players in recent years (Liam Sutcliffe, Brad Dwyer etc etc). What we desperately need are more players who make a real difference without needing the other 16 to be great.
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| Quote: Once were Loiners "What we desperately need are more players who make a real difference without needing the other 16 to be great.'"
That we can agree on.
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| Quote: christopher "That we can agree on.'"
Personally I think Smith has earned (over a number years) a bit patience from the fans. He may never be a great player but he's hardly the root of our problems. If he can't kick on with what we all hope will be a better prop rotation next year, he’ll be looking over his shoulder at (hopefully) Gannon, who I think could be an excellent loose, or young Cassell, who by all accounts is going to be a very good player indeed. It'll sort itself out one way or another.
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| Its been interesting to read the debate re Oledski, as it was a fellow Wiganer who asked a genuine question about him, as to whether he would prosper better with a move away i.e had he gone stale at Leeds.
there's no doubt he has the ability to be a top level prop (note i'm not saying he isnt with this comment), but he needs more around him at Leeds to allow him to develop into that player who is recognised week in week out. At Wigan we realised that changes to tackle height and the pending change re number of games, would mean we needed to change our approach to props particularly, and despite even Wigan fans joking about us signing a prop a week, its shown the club knew what they were doing
Signing Thompson, Dupree, Eseh and chan to run alongside Cooper, Havard, Byrne, Mago, Hill and Ellis (admittedly now at 13) has meant with suspension and injury, in the main we have been able to play 4 recognised props and maintain intensity during games. Yes, we've lost games during the season, but it looks like we have been trying to manage the intensity, with peaks for WCC, CC and now a GF run
Looking from outside in to the Leeds pack, Oledski is the only one who would get into the Wigan rotation, and he'd likely be fighting for a place on the bench at this moment in time. As we've seen Eseh and Chan were signed for the future, but they need to step up in this off season to start to fight for a 1st team spot. Cooper is being let go, so thats Hill's chance to make his real claim. He hasnt let us down, and as a young lad, is now looking ready to get more game time next season
i've just watched Fridays game back on TV and the 2 young lads (Edgell & Lumb) came out of it with plenty of credit, but were let down by far more senior / experienced players, and i'm looking forward to see how they both develop
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657 |
336 |
321 |
42 |
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Hull KR |
26 |
693 |
311 |
382 |
40 |
Warrington |
26 |
684 |
319 |
365 |
38 |
Salford |
26 |
550 |
483 |
67 |
32 |
St.Helens |
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584 |
370 |
214 |
30 |
Leigh |
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548 |
386 |
162 |
29 |
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Leeds |
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514 |
462 |
52 |
28 |
Catalans |
26 |
451 |
423 |
28 |
28 |
Huddersfield |
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434 |
648 |
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18 |
Castleford |
26 |
415 |
701 |
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15 |
LondonB |
26 |
317 |
862 |
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6 |
Hull FC |
26 |
324 |
870 |
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892 |
256 |
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373 |
245 |
32 |
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340 |
322 |
31 |
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594 |
472 |
122 |
28 |
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513 |
433 |
80 |
27 |
York |
25 |
613 |
439 |
174 |
26 |
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Featherstone |
24 |
566 |
472 |
94 |
26 |
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24 |
470 |
527 |
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23 |
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24 |
378 |
513 |
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617 |
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446 |
606 |
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806 |
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