Think we just have to roll with it sometimes, even if we developed a cracking youth talent, they are always going to get tapped up by NRL and we've lost several fantastic players over there in the past even.

I'll repeat (!) we can't keep players too far past their market value. Sometimes someone else will value them higher than we can, and that doesn't mean the sky is falling down or that the club is rubbish. It sounds like Leeds have made a decent effort to retain Martin, but at this stage in his career you can't fault him for going to a higher bidder - especially as we've been floundering for years and the crowd can be fickle AF here.

martin, kicking aside, is solid,reliable and consistent. I wouldn't. describe him as top class. I'd love to keep him but time to move on

Taddlers this is twice we have agreed this year what is going on?

simple my old fruit. just agree with me and we'll go far

I’m so glad you didn’t say all the way.

“What would Tads do?” is my new life mantra.

trust me, that is the worst thing you could do

Parcel imo best Leeds hooker since buderis massive mistake letting him go tried Aton he left the rest all average.
Why are we letting our players go to places like HKR no disrespect but why?

we aren't letting him go.
he's out of contract and wants to go

Maybe Martin wants to go because he sees more potential to achieve success with a club that appears to have better direction of where it wants to go on the field

There's got to be an element of that hasn’t there? Funnily enough, if Arthur stays and Blease is ruthless and ambitious I think we can turn it around pretty quickly. Big "ifs" though.

"Such as HKR"...take your rose tinted glasses off