Joel moon is leaving, he isn’t going back to aus tho as first expected. He is in talks with another super league club at the moment. Several first team players have fallen out with him because he kept it quiet and they only found out at the magic weekend. This is the reason he isn’t in the squad for Saturday against Catalans. I got this info from someone who works at the kirkstall training ground.

'He's got good organisational skills' is generally usually a polite way of saying 'he's slow'. Which from what I've seen, describes Lilley well. However, halves seem to be cementing a first team spot later than they used to, hopefully this will be true of Lilley, and he actually makes the gradequate at Leeds

Need to give lilley another run of games to decide. McDermott does not appear to like to use him though

sinfield and lockyer were slow. both had quick brains. not suggesting lilkey is anywhere near them but he was good enough to get a long contract. give the lad a run of games then he knows where he stands

Lockyer certainly wasnt slow.

he wasn't lightening quick
he read the game and was in position before the ball was kicked at times.

Certainly a damn sight quicker than Lilley at same age. In fact hes probably quicker than Lilley now.

Lockyear was definitely not slow, had a deceptive gliding style, a Seb coe style glide, infracr reckon lockyer could have been a world class middle distance runner

Sinfield was not slow either, not a side stepping quick if the mark player, but not many forwards quicker than him in his 20’s abvipuly not the quickest at halfback bet he was still quicker than wally lewis at similar ages.

Lockyer was bloody quick when he was young. He didn't slow down a lot until after he moved to stand off. I've no idea if Lilley will ever make it, but he needs a run of games in a half-decent side to see what he's capable of.

I would love to know what people see in Lilley cos i see nothing? Never saw the kid Saturday apart from 1 nice kick in 2nd half and kicking the conversions. Not singling him out as it was his 1st game and he was behind a badly beaten pack so difficult for any half but what does he bring? Hes not an organiser, not creative, is very slow and defensively poor in my eyes yet people seem to love him.

Maybe its me but what am i missing? I know the response will include people like Sinfield and Maguire but hes not in the same league as those lads.