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Quote: leedsnsouths "Just had a look at the stats from today and take a bow Kallum Watkins, outstanding in a loosing side
As well as 2 tries 2 breaks and 9 tackle busts he managed to make more meters and tackles than our two starting props without missing one or making an error!
Imagine how well he would have played if we wernt giving him so much defensive work
Weve gotta find another solution or give some of the extra work to the other outside backs, keep playing him like this and NRL offers start looking ever more attractive
.... He was MOM for me...and for those who say 'why doesn't he provide that level of attack play more often' continue to overlook the amount of defensive work he often has to contribute owing to our continued persistent lack of a 'proper' hooker. As you say I hope he doesn't think 'I have had enough of this lark' and does beat a retreat down under (or to RU)

Cuthbo I agree was also excellent: his cute offloads, passes and even a decent little kick (how the hell Walters didn't score lord only knows?) are indicative of his half-back abilities in the body of a prop. He also puts in the graft.

Hardaker looked much better in the second half and it was pleasing to see him linking and putting in passes to his left.

As most have said the defence is the bigger concern and I guess that doesn't help with the continued lack of a middle defending hooker. Galloway looks no better than Bailey at the moment. Mullally blew his big chance with stupidity and Achurch proved again he is a 'Medley' like forward, which is not winning him any favours in team selection under the present regime..., although like yesteryear it gives us those memorable runs down the wing.

Lilley is unfortunately slow in body; Burrow needs to be back on the bench.

Faloon (any decent proper hooker) and McGuire are both badly missed....and with a continued tough run of fixtures ahead it aint going to be the best of Easters.

We can't write the season off just yet....a lot could happen with injuries both for and against, both with our own team and with the opposition teams.

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Quote: leedsnsouths "Well the majority of fullbacks are either good runners or good passers, there are only about 5/6 exceptions playing today
Those that can do both to a high standard are usually then defensive nightmares
The only exceptions are Billy Slater, GI, Hayne...
In other words, players who dont play in SL and we cant afford.
So if we got rid of Hardaker, we would only get someone who can maybe pass but wont break many tackles and probably make a load of defensive mistakes'"


But Watkins has great feet and at his best with ball in hand in space. He breaks plenty of tackles too, not bad defense and passes better than ZH. ie; great CV for a FB. Oppositions seem to have worked out that Hardaker rarely passes so now close him down much better.

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Quote: BrisbaneRhino "I can't think of an NRL fullback who can't pass pretty well and who isn't an integral part of attacking moves, particularly on the opposition line. There are examples of others who've played NRL but they tend to be discarded if they can't pass. As with Josh Hoffman, who in many respects is the best NRL counterpart to Hardaker I can think of.

The three names you mention stand out not because of passing but because they are (or possibly were in the case of Slater) devastating runners in their own right.'"


Fullbacks this week- (that ive seen enough of)
Runners- Dugan, Ferguson, Hopoate, Gordan, Tedesco
Passers: Darius Boyd, Coote
No defence- Barba

All Rounders- GI, RTS, Slater, Stewart (so only 2 who arnt over 30)

Hardakers equivalent would be more like Dugan the current NSW fullback, the difference is that they play to his strengths and work a load of inside passes and stuff that exploits his pace and power, thing we dont do enough

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I've often thought Hardakers game was similar to Dugan. Similar skills and body types, and both have put off field issues behind them.

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Dugan can be very creative. Tedesco is a very good passer of the ball, he's a key player in the Tigers plays. Barba's not a first choice full back. Neither you or I have seen enough of Ferguson or Hopate at fullback to make any sort of call on them.

I'll say again, every regular starting full back in the NRL who lasts for more than a season can pass the ball better than Hardaker. If they don't they get put on the wing (or possibly their better side in the centres).

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Quote: BrisbaneRhino "Dugan can be very creative. Tedesco is a very good passer of the ball, he's a key player in the Tigers plays. Barba's not a first choice full back. Neither you or I have seen enough of Ferguson or Hopate at fullback to make any sort of call on them.

I'll say again, every regular starting full back in the NRL who lasts for more than a season can pass the ball better than Hardaker. If they don't they get put on the wing (or possibly their better side in the centres).'"


Dugan and Tedesco operate mainly in the middle, only linking in the way a loose forward would and working a lot of inside ball runs, whilst Hardaker seems to be being pushed to an edge (he certainly was for England) therefore we're not playing to his stregnths
Hopoate played fullback for most of a year and played a similar role to Dugan
Barba is a first choice fullback isnt he? who was missing for the sharks this week?
You failed query Coote, Gordan and Boyd who all have limited games

Hardaker may not be one of the best attacking fullbacks if he played down under but hed easily be top 10

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