Warrington are a team going into the playoffs with momentum and confidence. Whereas our lacklustre and error strewn performance last night does not bode well for a storming finish to the season.

Warrington-Wigan Final for me, and I'd happily settle for that Wembley win this year.

I don't know why people are kicking off about this now to be honest. We could see this a mile off when we dropped those points against london and bradford. This is why people kicked off about those results so much.

I said back then that unless leeds won the CC they'd completly screwed the season. Thankfully, we got the result and have a trophy but now the grand final is a tough ask. We didn't need to lose against 2 relegated teams to win the CC. We should be going into the playoffs with the CC and a very good chance at the double, arther than an outside chance.

Does that mean we went into the playoffs with form and momentum last season because of our win at wigan?

Who knows what can happen. Nobody gave us a chance from 5th but we did it twice. Nobody gave us a chance against Saints in the cup, and despite being shocking at times this year when we play with intensity and a game plan we're as good as anybody. Wigan lost 7 of their last 9 SL fixtures last season and they managed it. I don't think we will win but nothing would surprise me with this group of players.

Kicking off?
Thought we were discussing it tbf also we know what was said post Dulls/London lets hope we give a good account of ourselves in the play offs and learn from this year moving forward.

Wigan finished 4th, played an inexperienced team and got the win, had a week off and a home game into the final.

It's the second game that will screw leeds in the playoffs. By no means a gimme, you'd like to think they'd win the first game. But there's no really weak teams above leeds. In 2011 they played a huddersfield team that had collasped, and 2012 they played catalans. Through circumstance they basically ended up playing teams that weren't true contenders. We saw last season that when leeds had a real douzy in the second game (saints) it showed in the final semi against wigan who'd had a week off.

I'm 100% certain wigan will be in the final now. I think saints injuries will cost them, and cas don't have the playoff experience. If I was a betting man I'd say a wigan warrington final, with leeds going out in the final semi, probably against wigan.

There's not a huge amount you can really learn from this year because next year is a different format and no one really knows how it's going to play out. If it's as tight at the top as it is this season and you get through to the latter stages of the CC you could be seriously compromised in having the chance to actually compete for the grand final.

Whilst some will love to play on the lowest ever finish in X amount of years I think we've shown more about us this year than in the 2011 & 2012 campaigns clearly even if we finished one place higher then and arguably for a period better than 2013.

As I said the other week, if Saints had beaten us in Round 5 of the cup and went on to Wembley instead, we'd have a comfortable cushion at the top of the league and they'd be down in 6th IMO.

They'll be the usual talk of the club not caring about the league yet we go into the last round of games with the leanest defence still (12 fewer than Wigan) so to label any side who concede the fewest points over the campaign as not being bothered will be ridiculous, the key to defence is attitude and effort.

You might be right.....and I have been very impressed with the committed defence this season (good to watch and enough to win the CC where it reached its zenith)...

BUT there just aint enough in attack to get the team all the way to a winning GF this time IMO (even with the return of Burrow and McGuire).

Lowest since Sky demanded its latest purchase perform the role of submissive buttplug and fill that gaping hole in their summer schedules during the soccer off-season.

That'll be 1996 when Leeds finished 10th out of 12 ahead of Paris St Germain and Workington courtesy of 6 wins (including the double over the aforementioned two plus against Sheffield and Castleford) and 16 losses.

Finishing 6th in 2014 is another testament to Leeds utter contempt for regular season league placings under the current ludicrous structure as they fully understand the rewards of deliberate, tossing-it-off mediocrity. The sight of McDermott last night during his post-match Sky interview feigning disappointment at his teams failure to finish much higher on the ladder was to be expected. What else can he say?

The game owes Leeds and McDermott a huge debt of gratitude as their utter contempt for the regular season has been mirrored by other SL clubs in recent times which has played a crucial role in effecting structural change in order to render the regular season as meaningful once again. I'm not convinced that every minute will count next season but some minutes counting is better than the current 'none'.

Wake me up for the Semi Final after Leeds have disposed of whipping boy SL rabble at home in week 1 (French Surrender Monkeys or Widnes) followed by whipped/bruised/injury-decimated SL rabble (St Helens probably) in week 2.

Finishing 5th or 6th by plenty! (Won't be able to say that next season, thankfully)

Can we have another 'Leeds easy route to the grand final' thread from yours truly? The last time you did that we won! Could do with a pick me up.